Transfer Speculation (1st June onwards)

IronHerb

Expat_Hammer said:

IronHerb said:

I don't understand why the PFA or their like cannot have a pro forma contract with gaps left to be filled in for length of contract, option, basic wages, appearance bonus, goal bonus, league position bonus, personal rights, company car, sell on fee, etc.etc left blank. The player fills in the blanks and passes it to the club who in return give him a copy with their valuations. Once agreed you have a lawyer check it over and sign. The player could ask for the lawyers fee to be payed for by the club but it wouldn't come to millions.
Simple really, wonder why I didn't put that forward before. 😇

Cheers Herb, I've just forwarded this to Expat Junior who just so happens to be a solicitor.

2,5% OK for you

Done. 💰💰💰

MrsGrey

IronHerb said:

I don't understand why the PFA or their like cannot have a pro forma contract with gaps left to be filled in for length of contract, option, basic wages, appearance bonus, goal bonus, league position bonus, personal rights, company car, sell on fee, etc.etc left blank. The player fills in the blanks and passes it to the club who in return give him a copy with their valuations. Once agreed you have a lawyer check it over and sign. The player could ask for the lawyers fee to be payed for by the club but it wouldn't come to millions.

Because the lawyers working for millionaire clients will simply up their hourly rates?

Anyway, players will never go for it. They want someone who can negotiate the highest possible price by putting the word round certain clubs, leaking stories to the media, pulling strings behind the scenes, etc. The agent and the player's interests are aligned. As long as that is the case, the representative (whatever label you give them) will want to chisel out the highest fee possible.

OldCastleSwift

Seems like nothing is going to happen until that last week. I think Moyes is pinning his hopes on Lingard and/or Abraham being available late in the window and Man U and Chelsea deciding to cash in.

And I think our budget is that small that we literally can't afford to commit any money to any other deal until these two outcomes are known, hence why Milenkovic is being strung out.

Fortuneseeker

PrestonHammer said:

Oh how I long for days of the player arriving in 7 to 10 days.

That long! I can remember deals being done in a day or two, they probably took longer, it was just they weren’t in the public domain for all to monitor.

OutcastLondoner

I get why the players have agents. I have a literary agent to deal with a comparatively minuscule amount of money but as someone who just doesn't deal with contracts or negotiations of this type in my normal day, it really does help to have someone take that stress away, who knows how to deal with that world. They also look for other opportunities, which is important for players who are trying to maximise income while they're relevant.

But I also pay for the agent - no one else. I feel like this thing of agents demanding extra fees from the club is very similar to the type of interference you would get from third-party ownership. Why is the agent a barrier to who a player signs for? The player should pay.

claretandbluesky

My point from earlier. The player alone should pay the agent. Although of course the player can ask more to cover his costs the dynamic remains healthier. West Ham and Fiorentina should not even be speaking about who pays the players agent.

OldCastleSwift

Lukaku to Chelsea is done. Abraham has had his No9 shirt taken from him, so it's only a matter of time before he goes.

Anyone think we still have a chance? I'm going with a confident 'no'.

Lukerz

Not with Antonio

claretandbluesky

I'd like to think so but imagine it's unlikely.

Lukerz

We need a striker who operates across the front 3, not just as a number 9. Antonio will play when fit, because there really is no comparative striker who offers what he does. I remember that performance he put it for 30-35 minutes against Wolves last season. Lingard got the headlines, but he was absolutely unplayable. I can’t think of another number 9 capable of that level of explosiveness, including the likes of Aguero, Lukaku, Martial, Kane etc.

A forward who can operate off of the left, right & middle, or who is seeing West Ham as a step up & happy to wait for his opportunity to replace Antonio is what we need.

OldCastleSwift

I suspect it'll be Sima

ASLEFshrugged

Its become common practise for agents to expect fees from a transfer, I don't know when that started but complaining about it now seems like closing the stable door after the horse has bolted.

I remember when managers (Cloughie's brown paper bags) used to expect a "bonus" for signing players.

OldCastleSwift

Daily Star (I know) reporting that Man U are now willing to let Lingard go for £20m.

OldCastleSwift

Moyes be like

yoyo

Doesn't mean he'll come here ( party pooper I know ) there'll be other interested parties. I hope we haven't put all our financial eggs in one basket

Fortuneseeker

Unpopular as it may seen but do we really want him? Alright I'll get my coat, but if it comes out that we have not gone for other targets waiting for him to decide he wants to leave or be told he can, then.....Benrahma played really well on Saturday IMHO and I am trying to see how we will line up if Lingard comes back?

Bazshuayi

We're in Europe
He has a good relationship with Moyes
He'll not be sitting on the bench
He already knows the squad and seemed well liked

Who else is going to compete with that? If he goes to Leicester he'll be on the bench there unless Arsenal come up with 100M for Maddison

I think if he's available and gives up hope of getting into Utds first 11 regularly then we will get him

Pearces_Left_Foot

Ex is saying we had a budget of 50 IMO 5 of which went on areola loan leaving 45mio for defender and striker

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

OutcastLondoner said:

I have a literary agent to deal with a comparatively minuscule amount of money but as someone who just doesn't deal with contracts or negotiations of this type in my normal day, it really does help to have someone take that stress away, who knows how to deal with that world.

I can’t believe you have a literary agent and it isn’t me. I’m cross.

OldCastleSwift

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OutcastLondoner said:

I have a literary agent to deal with a comparatively minuscule amount of money but as someone who just doesn't deal with contracts or negotiations of this type in my normal day, it really does help to have someone take that stress away, who knows how to deal with that world.

I can’t believe you have a literary agent and it isn’t me. I’m cross.

*whispers* It's alderz

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

OldCastleSwift said:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OutcastLondoner said:

I have a literary agent to deal with a comparatively minuscule amount of money but as someone who just doesn't deal with contracts or negotiations of this type in my normal day, it really does help to have someone take that stress away, who knows how to deal with that world.

I can’t believe you have a literary agent and it isn’t me. I’m cross.

*whispers* It's alderz

That’s fine. I’ve been doing Outcast’s stats for years.

OldCastleSwift

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OldCastleSwift said:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OutcastLondoner said:

I have a literary agent to deal with a comparatively minuscule amount of money but as someone who just doesn't deal with contracts or negotiations of this type in my normal day, it really does help to have someone take that stress away, who knows how to deal with that world.

I can’t believe you have a literary agent and it isn’t me. I’m cross.

*whispers* It's alderz

That’s fine. I’ve been doing Outcast’s stats for years.

alderz right now

OutcastLondoner

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OutcastLondoner said:

I have a literary agent to deal with a comparatively minuscule amount of money but as someone who just doesn't deal with contracts or negotiations of this type in my normal day, it really does help to have someone take that stress away, who knows how to deal with that world.

I can’t believe you have a literary agent and it isn’t me. I’m cross.

Hold on, are you a literary agent? If I’d known…

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Yes, I am. I’m hurt, I’m not going to lie.

OldCastleSwift

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

Yes, I am. I’m hurt, I’m not going to lie.

Jorderz right now

BubblesNeverDies

OldCastleSwift said:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OldCastleSwift said:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

OutcastLondoner said:

I have a literary agent to deal with a comparatively minuscule amount of money but as someone who just doesn't deal with contracts or negotiations of this type in my normal day, it really does help to have someone take that stress away, who knows how to deal with that world.

I can’t believe you have a literary agent and it isn’t me. I’m cross.

*whispers* It's alderz

That’s fine. I’ve been doing Outcast’s stats for years.

alderz right now

OldCastleSwift said:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

Yes, I am. I’m hurt, I’m not going to lie.

Jorderz right now

So OCS, what you're saying is that Alderz and Jorderz are one and the same person?

OldCastleSwift

Never seen them in the same room at the same time, so it's possible.

alderz, Jorderz, can one of you confirm you are, in fact, the same person please.

BubblesNeverDies

And it's odd how their handles end in the same 4 letters.

alderz

Are you calling me boring?

BubblesNeverDies

alderz said:

Are you calling me boring?

https://youtube.com/watch?v=4Kwh3R0YjuQ

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