The Next Transfer Window

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  • LukerzLukerz
    Well there are a few articles today claiming the board sold Diang against Moyes’ wishes, & obviously he did not speak after the Bournemouth game which I find a bit odd.

    I suppose boards do this all the time. When a key player is sold, like Harry Maguire, I assume the manager wants to keep the player, but the board decide that the money is too good to turn down. In Diang’s case, as they control the purse strings, they must have felt £20m was too good a fee to turn down.
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Lukerz, from all the previous comments, I thought it was £12m rising to £18m under certain conditions. If it was actually £20m up front, I can understand it, but still not agree with his transfer.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    £80m for Maguire is a bit different to £18m for Diangana. With £80m you can almost certainly buy a quality replacement and probably strengthen elsewhere. Particularly if you have a proper scouting network and transfer strategy, which Leicester quite obviously do.

    Rogers probably didn't want Maguire to leave, but I would imagine he was ok about him leaving given the fee involved. £20m for Grady didn't even cover his supposed replacement.
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    OCS, IMHO I don't think there is a plan at the moment to actually buy a replacement as there are three other areas in the team that are more pressing which have been well documented for several months if not years.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    If this is the case, it stinks IMO...I would have no issues with Moyes walking..Does he really need to put up with that......
    Like OCS said, not sure you can compare maguire to this sale.
    I actually had hoped Moyes had sanctioned it, but if not another horrendous decision by the owners.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    My guess is that Moyes was told he either keeps Diangana and gets no defensive reinforcements, or, if Diangana is sold he'll be able to strengthen the defense. I'm sure he'd much rather have kept him and brought in a defender or 2, but he had to make a very unpalatable choice. So yes, my guess is that Moyes sanctioned it, but with his hands tied.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Fortune

    There has never been a plan of any sorts, probably since they took over. If there was, there would surely be evidence of it?

    There is no comparison to be with Maguire. Smart clubs outside the big 6 will spot the likes of Maguire and Van Dijk, and already have the longer term vision to move them on at a huge profit to then reinvest (or at least have the funds to do so).

    We could easily have gone all out to get, say Maddison. We didn’t, and decided to blow the money on Yarmo at the time. Maddison is probably now in the £50m bracket. On the other hand, we have now no-one willing to Yarmo off our hands

    This is what happens when the club is run by chancers who continually try to “wing it”
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Luke I don’t think there’s a requirement for managers to speak after friendlies but it’s compulsory for league and cup games. I expect after that shambles he’d said enough in the dressing room.
  • LukerzLukerz
    edited September 2020
    Newcastle have had a £20m offer accepted by Bournemouth for striker Calum Wilson.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Just in time for him to continue to inflict more misery to our defence
  • alderzalderz
    edited September 2020
    Callum Wilson is one of those signings that will turn out to be a steal for someone at £20m and score a bunch of goals, but if we had signed him his knee would have gone in his second match and he’d be out for the rest of the season.
  • HamstewHamstew
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Just in time for him to continue to inflict more misery to our defence

    What defence? Oh those guys standing around at that back.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Just puzzled at Norwich city and their defence. They have Krul who is decent enough, and have three players in Godfrey, Aarons and Lewis who are seemingly sought after.

    So how come they were a completely shambles defensively last season? So bad that they were far worse than even us?..
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    If the plan was to get in player(s) to sure up the defence, why are we still waiting? Astute business would have been to line up targets and make offers, agree deals prior to the final agreement for Diangana. This is how the final transfer day works.
    I guess we will start the season with a couple players short, get a loan in or a panic buy on transfer deadline day, and then wait a month for said players to be fit, by which time we will be in the bottom three with no wins from 6.
    I just love West Ham
  • yoyoyoyo
    Didn't Curbishley walk because a player was sold from underneath him? Look what happened to him. Once being touted as an England manager and now can't get a job managing a Sunday league team. ( The fact he sued his employers probably doesn't help!)
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Lukerz said:

    Well there are a few articles today claiming the board sold Diang against Moyes’ wishes, & obviously he did not speak after the Bournemouth game which I find a bit odd.

    I suppose boards do this all the time. When a key player is sold, like Harry Maguire, I assume the manager wants to keep the player, but the board decide that the money is too good to turn down. In Diang’s case, as they control the purse strings, they must have felt £20m was too good a fee to turn down.

    It’s actually been reported the other way around, that WBA thought the deal was too good to not pursue
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Fortuneseeker said:

    OCS, IMHO I don't think there is a plan at the moment to actually buy a replacement as there are three other areas in the team that are more pressing which have been well documented for several months if not years.

    I was referring to the reports that we were going to use the Grady money to buy Benrahma. Which were then followed by reports that we wouldn't meet Brentford's valuation of £25m.

    But I agree we have other priorities. I'm just cross that the owners have sacrificed a talented, popular Academy graduate to fund them, particularly when they've taken literally millions of pounds of interest from the club they claim to both support.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Who said they’ve taken millions of pounds of interest. Interest may be accruing but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve actually taken money out.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    thornburyiron said:

    Who said they’ve taken millions of pounds of interest. Interest may be accruing but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve actually taken money out.

    Just a quick Google, from football.london:

    "The 2017/18 season was the tipping point: between August 2017 and August 2018, Gold and Sullivan paid themselves a little under £14.6million in interest owed to them on their loans."

    Genuine fans wouldn't charge interest on money they out into the club they supposedly love, IMO.
  • Ravel49Ravel49
    £30M FOR TARKOWSKI?

    Leicester City are set to step up their interest in James Tarkowski this week, according to the Star on Sunday, with a £30m swoop.

    Sky Sports News reported on Friday that West Ham had made a bid worth more than £20m for the Burnley centre-back with Leicester trying to scupper the deal with their reported offer.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    thornburyiron said:

    Who said they’ve taken millions of pounds of interest. Interest may be accruing but it doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve actually taken money out.

    I checked the accounts listed at Companies House, and interest to shareholders, from 11/12 season to 18/19 (the last submitted so far) is £18.7m. Regardless of whether they've withdrawn any of it is irrelevant, the club would be nearly £19m better off if they weren't so greedy, so we'd be in exactly the same financial position but without having sold Diangana.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    Leicester or West Ham? This is going to be an agonising, gut wrenching choice for Tarkowski to decide upon.
  • yoyoyoyo
    He's family don't want to move South. Although I bet they would if Chelsea came knocking
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    So that's c.£2.5m a year on an investment of what, £130m plus. Hardly excessive.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I don’t have a major gripe with them paying themselves. The bigger crime is the £1m plus to Brady. What does she actually do?

    The problem with the daves is they consistently make poor decisions and choices to the detriment of the club and quite clearly have no overall plan or strategy for the advancement of this club.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    edited September 2020
    IronHerb said:

    So that's c.£2.5m a year on an investment of what, £130m plus. Hardly excessive.

    Loans from shareholders are listed as £45m as at 31/5/19.

    They'll get a huge return on the capital when they sell.

    The issue is that as supposed fans, do they really need to charge interest at all? For all the spiel about keeping the club, they've known from day one that the way they ran us would make them so unpopular they'd have a built in excuse to sell up, so this was only ever going to be a short (OK, medium) term investment. Look at how popular they were at Birmingham.

    Buy the club, move to the OS, sell the Boleyn, wait out the period of the sell-on clause spending as little as possible, sell at a huge profit. It's always been the plan, they were only ever in it for the money, no true fan would have done to us what they have.

    What grates is that they claimed to be fans, they promised the move to the OS would take us forward as a club, and yet we're still in a position where staying up is about as good as we can realistically hope for. The move to the OS would never have been met with such little resistance if we'd have known what was in store, although many feared it would be so.

    There aren't words (that I'm allowed to use here) that describe what I really think of them.
  • alderzalderz
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Just puzzled at Norwich city and their defence. They have Krul who is decent enough, and have three players in Godfrey, Aarons and Lewis who are seemingly sought after.

    So how come they were a completely shambles defensively last season? So bad that they were far worse than even us?..

    I think individually all are good players, but they are also inexperienced. Godfrey in a more experienced and less open back four could be an excellent player. It’s like how we know that Rice is a top class DM in a side that concedes 60+ goals.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    buffybegood said:

    IronHerb said:

    So that's c.£2.5m a year on an investment of what, £130m plus. Hardly excessive.

    Loans from shareholders are listed as £45m as at 31/5/19.
    Wasn't it £100m to buy the club?
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    IronHerb said:

    buffybegood said:

    IronHerb said:

    So that's c.£2.5m a year on an investment of what, £130m plus. Hardly excessive.

    Loans from shareholders are listed as £45m as at 31/5/19.
    Wasn't it £100m to buy the club?
    That would be a capital investment, which is completely different.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Honestly I have no qualms about them making money off the club, pretty sure every other club chairman does the same (correct me if im wrong)

    As IH said, £19mil in the grand scheme of things isnt a lot in 10 years of ownership

    Also while they are fans, they are also businessmen who spent a lot of money on a club that was on the brink of administration
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