The Next Transfer Window

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Newcastle reporting to be close to bringing in Rob Holding on loan

Think that is the type of low risk move we should be looking at, a good player who commands no fee and is on a small wage

Fortuneseeker

WHU_c_l_i_7_y, a bit like the type of signing Malang Sarr would have been?

MIAHammer

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Newcastle reporting to be close to bringing in Rob Holding on loan

Think that is the type of low risk move we should be looking at, a good player who commands no fee and is on a small wage

There are plenty of players that command no fees and or on small wages. Unfortunately most of them don’t qualify as good players - at least not in the Premier League.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

MIAHammer said:

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Newcastle reporting to be close to bringing in Rob Holding on loan

Think that is the type of low risk move we should be looking at, a good player who commands no fee and is on a small wage

There are plenty of players that command no fees and or on small wages. Unfortunately most of them don’t qualify as good players - at least not in the Premier League.

Is holding not a decent player to be 3rd/4th choice?

Granted I havent seen many of Arsenal games, but he seemed to do well when called upon and was good in the community shield against Liverpool

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Fortuneseeker said:

WHU_c_l_i_7_y, a bit like the type of signing Malang Sarr would have been?

Still could be, Sarr is apparently going to go on loan this year, again dont really know how good he is but with 100 appearances in Ligue 1 at 21 should count for something

OldCastleSwift

Hamstew said:

The comment made by ex a while ago, if true I wouldn't expect a lot of movement with transfers.
The West Ham board now "want us to stay up with minimal outlay"

Twitter's gone mad with this. If true, it hardly represents next level, does it? All that chat about Champions League and our board are now content to just survive.

Roll on 2023. At least then there'll be a chance of them selling up then.

baracks_a_hammer

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Newcastle reporting to be close to bringing in Rob Holding on loan

Think that is the type of low risk move we should be looking at, a good player who commands no fee and is on a small wage

The problem here is that I reckon in general a lot of our squad are very well paid compared to how good they are and what they contribute . Sully does seem to dish out when it comes to wages, certainly compared a a lot of clubs in and around us in the table. Our payroll is likely be very very high.

Hugill, £40k (?), Ajeti £50k, Sanchez £70k for example. It starts to unravel though when these players fail and need to be moved one. This then comes at a loss if there are transfer fees involved, or we need to pay them to leave.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

OCS, I mean..this is probably going to be the first season under G&S where we won't have a positive transfer spend and thats because of a worldwide pandemic

If we take a window off to stabilise the clubs finances and have a inquest into our recruitment which has wasted lots of money (something it sounds like Moyes is keen to do), then I'd be content

Think trying to go for these "ambitious" signings to try and keep promises that we are gunning to be better than we are are the exact reason we are where we are

Hope that we continue what we did in January whereby we target players who may be unknown to us but they fit the profile of young, ambitious and improve us immediately

I would say all of Haller, Anderson, Fornals, Yarmolenko, Arnautovic, Wilshere, Hernandez, Payet, Carroll, Ogbonna, Diop, Ayew and Hart could all be considered ambitious signings on paper...and most have been disappointments

Then compare that to our more successful signings like Antonio, Cresswell, Kouyate, Obiang, Sakho, Fabianksi, Lanzini etc who are more similar to Bowen/Soucek in that they weren't huge names before they came and they were all scouted properly

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

baracks_a_hammer said:

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Newcastle reporting to be close to bringing in Rob Holding on loan

Think that is the type of low risk move we should be looking at, a good player who commands no fee and is on a small wage

The problem here is that I reckon in general a lot of our squad are very well paid compared to how good they are and what they contribute . Sully does seem to dish out when it comes to wages, certainly compared a a lot of clubs in and around us in the table. Our payroll is likely be very very high.

Hugill, £40k (?), Ajeti £50k, Sanchez £70k for example. It starts to unravel though when these players fail and need to be moved one. This then comes at a loss if there are transfer fees involved, or we need to pay them to leave.

Yes I agree completely

As I mentioned in the above post, too often we go for the big name instead of the smart move

Like Hernandez. His pedigree speaks for himself, and he, on paper, was much much better than anything we had. But we had no clue how to play to his strengths. So we spent £16mil and £140k a week which is madness, for a player who was probably better than we had but no actually clue how to play to his strengths, so ended up making a huge loss on him

OldCastleSwift

Champo, I have absolutely no issue with the board targeting young, up-and-comers. The problem is we're not even close to doing that.

And my point is the attitude of the board. If they're content just to survive, what's the point? Why did we move?

baracks_a_hammer

OCS

Things are now different aren’t they? Gone is the big talk of challenging for Europe etc. Personally I’m at the point where I believe we are a very very long way away from being contenders for a a European place.

Which is why I am not as bothered with Moyes now continuing as a manager as I believe he is a long way from meriting being a manager of a Europa club.

I’m just one of those who is counting down to 2023 which MIGHT hopefully trigger a genuine new dawn. A lot of ifs and buts mind you..

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

OldCastleSwift said:

Champo, I have absolutely no issue with the board targeting young, up-and-comers. The problem is we're not even close to doing that.

And my point is the attitude of the board. If they're content just to survive, what's the point? Why did we move?

But we have moved, and its irreversible

So why still cling to the fact we should be challenging European places, something weve never ever been

In all honestly I never took it seriously, like i never expected us to be a top 4 team just because we moved because it's not that easy. Just big words from a chairman, just like any club chairman does

Guess my mentality has shifted. Its unforgivable that we moved from the Boleyn and I'm mad angry at the board for doing so....but it's done and there is no going back so I've accepted it

I'd rather look forward than behind, and I dont see how being negative over every little thing helps in any way....

I actually think the fanbase has been one of the main reasons we are so poor and get such a poor response from players

Like against Burnley. We lose 1-0 away and the reaction of the fans online was disgraceful (not specifically here). Youd think we just got battered 4-0 at home to Norwich. People were calling out the players, calling out Moyes, the board saying we are going down. I mean we were equal to Burnley, but they are as good as any at keeping a 1-0 lead.

The fanbase has moaned and cried ever since we moved and things didnt go to plan, myself included. But it's been 4 years now, at some point you just have to accept it or forever be mad

I'm just excited that finally we seem to have a manager that will get us back to basics and give us a team that will lose games no doubt, but they will be giving it all the effort in every game and always be in with a chance

What is the point if we just survive? Well as long as ive been a west ham fan it's been a mixture of being mid table, brink of relegation or actually relegated, so I dont really see what's changed. I supported them in the championship and I will now.

We dont have the means to target young up and comers right now until we shift some bodies, but what we are doing is looking internally. Our best XI could have 3 of our own (4 if you include Nobes) in Rice, Johnson and Diangana, and we may see some of Alese, Coventry, Cullen or Holland (where is he btw)

We are in the situation we are in, but I've loved everything Moyes has said in that his first job is to get what we have playing to the best of our ability. This team got 12th only 2 seasons ago, so it's not all doom and gloom

Our situation is we have no money due to previous outlays in the last fe windows and COVIDA. That isnt going to change And I'd rather not risk our long term finances by taking out a loan on a player who may or may not even improve us. So how can I get angry we arent signing anyone untill the situation changes?

Expat_Hammer

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Exactly that, AND I'm hoping that 2023 brings great joy to West Ham in that this lot clear off

Yeoldhammer

how rich in comparison to the rest of the league are Gold and Sullivan something tells me they are probably bottom 5.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Yeoldhammer said:

how rich in comparison to the rest of the league are Gold and Sullivan something tells me they are probably bottom 5.

https://www.90min.com/posts/the-rich-list-2020-the-premier-league-club-owners-ranked-01e8pzn767k0

No idea if its accurate, but according to this 14th, maybe lower depedning on who owns Leeds, WBA and Fulham (that list included Norwich, Bournemouth and Watford who were all below us)

EDIT: just checked, WBA and Fulham owners have higher net worth than ours but Leeds don't

So we'd sit 16th

thornburyiron

Spot on Yeold then.

claretandbluesky

Our serious flirt with relegation last season could have been the greatest blessing for this current season. I doubt we would have done any business had we sat in mid table safety, luckily we ventured into the market and spent very well on Bowen and Soucek, a spend I could not have seen being made now with circumstances we now find ourselves in. Credit where it's due they both look very good buys, Bowen looking worth his price tag and Soucek looking a bargain.

buffybegood

Despite the sense in what Champo says, it's beyond criminal that we had our home sold out from under us only to end up in a situation where staying up is a good season. G&S should be ashamed of themselves, and even more so by charging interest on the money they have put into the club when they'll get it back 2, 3 or more times over when they sell up.

Hamstew

I just feel like we need a LB minimum and Rice to stay. Then a loan striker if we're lucky. That might tie us over for another season. Another season closer until those clowns hopefully sell up. Depressing but it feels like a 2 year prison sentence at the moment.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Latest rumours say that Lanzini and Haller have both been approached but only on loan so the club rejected both

Feel both (could) have a role to play

IronHerb

buffybegood said:

Despite the sense in what Champo says, it's beyond criminal that we had our home sold out from under us only to end up in a situation where staying up is a good season. G&S should be ashamed of themselves, and even more so by charging interest on the money they have put into the club when they'll get it back 2, 3 or more times over when they sell up.

Hasn't the interest been accrued and not yet taken?

Hamstew

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Latest rumours say that Lanzini and Haller have both been approached but only on loan so the club rejected both

Feel both (could) have a role to play

Only friendly games but Lanzini has looked sharp in the games I've seen.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Hamstew said:

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

Latest rumours say that Lanzini and Haller have both been approached but only on loan so the club rejected both

Feel both (could) have a role to play

Only friendly games but Lanzini has looked sharp in the games I've seen.

I agree, sharp and confident

Haller naturally comes across quite cumbersome, but also think he's looking much sharper than he did last year, lots of nice touches and flick ons

buffybegood

IronHerb said:

buffybegood said:

Despite the sense in what Champo says, it's beyond criminal that we had our home sold out from under us only to end up in a situation where staying up is a good season. G&S should be ashamed of themselves, and even more so by charging interest on the money they have put into the club when they'll get it back 2, 3 or more times over when they sell up.

Hasn't the interest been accrued and not yet taken?

Not sure that really affects anything, whether they had already been paid it (pretty sure some at least has been actually paid out) or accrued, it's still money they've made out of the club that could have been, for instance, added to the transfer kitty, rather than being an expense that needn't be.

imagelost

Hamstew said:

I just feel like we need a LB minimum and Rice to stay. Then a loan striker if we're lucky. That might tie us over for another season. Another season closer until those clowns hopefully sell up. Depressing but it feels like a 2 year prison sentence at the moment.

Well said hamstew

Ravel49

West Ham's French striker Sebastien Haller, 26, has rejected the chance to join Hertha BSC. (90 mins)

whupathman

Diamantis_Are_Forever said:

West Ham's French striker Sebastien Haller, 26, has rejected the chance to join Hertha BSC. (90 mins)

as selling him and having 0 fit strikers is the west ham way it seems, maybe we should have kept Roberto and tried him up front

ScotHammer

........... Roberto was responsible for a lot of goals last season!

Ravel49

LANZINI LOAN REJECTED

Fenerbahce have seen a loan bid for West Ham midfielder Manuel Lanzini rejected, according to Fotospor.

Lanzini played just 23 minutes of game time in the final five matches of last season.

Hamstew

Ex says there was no offer