The Next Transfer Window

OldCastleSwift

Lukerz said:

All parties can wait another year before the move happens. He doesn’t need to desperately become a Chelsea player this year.

I think we all accept that Rice will go. What really frustrates me is that I have absolutely no faith in this board to even get that right. We have an opportunity, albeit a reluctant one, whereby we know we have c.£80m coming in next summer and plenty of time (i.e. the next 10 months) to scout a suitable replacement.

And yet I feel it's much more likely that we'll let him go late in September then claim we didn't have time to get our deals over the line.

All those saying Soucek was effectively a Rice replacement may turn out to be right.

Lukerz

I think when the inevitable bid comes in (which will happen when Chelsea offload a couple of squad players), we will accept. I reckon we will get around £60m odd with a few bonus payments after appearances/performance goals for Chelsea etc. We may end up getting a player in as part of the deal on loan.

Moyes is not going to want the window to close with no opportunity to mould his own side. Yeah he has added Soucek & Bowen to the starting 11, but he is going to want a couple of other signings so he can start to say ‘it’s my squad’. At the moment it’s Pellegrini’s side with Soucek & Bowen. It looks like the only realistic way he is going to be able to do that is through selling Rice. No person wants to take a job & be stuck with his predecessors tools.

Add to that, if you are Rice & wanting to see West Ham invest & become more ambitious, you are not going to get that, when you know the club has no funds.

imagelost

Lukerz said:

I think when the inevitable bid comes in (which will happen when Chelsea offload a couple of squad players), we will accept. I reckon we will get around £60m odd with a few bonus payments after appearances/performance goals for Chelsea etc. We may end up getting a player in as part of the deal on loan.

Moyes is not going to want the window to close with no opportunity to mould his own side. Yeah he has added Soucek & Bowen to the starting 11, but he is going to want a couple of other signings so he can start to say ‘it’s my squad’. At the moment it’s Pellegrini’s side with Soucek & Bowen. It looks like the only realistic way he is going to be able to do that is through selling Rice. No person wants to take a job & be stuck with his predecessors tools.

Add to that, if you are Rice & wanting to see West Ham invest & become more ambitious, you are not going to get that, when you know the club has no funds.

How do you know West Ham have no funds?

Expat_Hammer

I don't think it will happen this year. Rice seems to like Moyes a lot so maybe can be talked out of it this year.

With a lot of the Chelsea fans I know thinking that Fat Frank may well be gone by Christmas if he doesn't tear up the track and get excellent results. Which wouldn't surprise me with Abramovitch.

We shall see

imagelost

Expat_Hammer said:

I don't think it will happen this year. Rice seems to like Moyes a lot so maybe can be talked out of it this year.

With a lot of the Chelsea fans I know thinking that Fat Frank may well be gone by Christmas if he doesn't tear up the track and get excellent results. Which wouldn't surprise me with Abramovitch.

We shall see

You always get a honeymoon period, with new management “ large franks” could be over before Christmas 🎄

ASLEFshrugged

Lukerz said:

I think when the inevitable bid comes in (which will happen when Chelsea offload a couple of squad players)

At the moment Chelsea don't seem to be any closer to offloading any of the squad players they are supposed to be trying to get rid of than we are getting rid of the players we're supposed to want to shift. Their attempts to do a part ex with two players would suggest they're having trouble balancing the books

imagelost said:

How do you know West Ham have no funds?

For the last two months the message coming from the club is that we need to sell in order to buy.

imagelost

ASLEFshrugged said:

Lukerz said:

I think when the inevitable bid comes in (which will happen when Chelsea offload a couple of squad players)

At the moment Chelsea don't seem to be any closer to offloading any of the squad players they are supposed to be trying to get rid of than we are getting rid of the players we're supposed to want to shift. Their attempts to do a part ex with two players would suggest they're having trouble balancing the books

imagelost said:

How do you know West Ham have no funds?

For the last two months the message coming from the club is that we need to sell in order to buy.

They say loads , the club normally does Something constructive.
Selling one your best players in bad team could and probably will send us down

Fortuneseeker

The players mentioned in one of the latest reports re a part ex deal were Zouma (who Jose wants), Batshuayi (who has turned us down twice already) or Timori (but only on loan). IF we are going to have to do a deal then we could ask for Sarr on loan, who were reported to be keen on, as part of the deal, that is if Chelsea aren't going to pay the full fee.
It looks like a case of who will blink first because if he does leave in late September then we have limited time to get any replacements in, who are likely not to be our first choices, and will be at an inflated price due to the selling clubs knowing we have just come into a large amount of money.

buffybegood

Yeoldhammer said:

if they sell him for 80m and we do not buy any replacements thats criminal.

That's the ideal scenario for G&S, it will get towards the end of the window, suddenly

"Rice decides he wants to go, we had to let him go for the sake of harmony in the dressing room, but don't worry, we've loaned in someone who can't get a game in the Championship, and Pyscho is in pretty good shape and can do a turn as a defensive mid if need be".

Whitehorsehammer

Why are people getting so agitated again over a regurgitated story in The Sun that Chelsea want Rice. The board have said he is not for sale.

Fortuneseeker

Whitehorsehammer,

https://thisisfutbol.com/2020/08/blogs/premier-league/west-ham-united-club-insider-discusses-the-irons-board/

Based on these "facts" am I allowed to question what the board are reported to have said?

baracks_a_hammer

I personally think this window will revolve around the fates of Lanzini, Anderson and Yarmo

None of these were regular starters post Covid at a time when we actually started to play better. Yet they are big hitters in terms of either transfer fees, salary or both. I would have thought that selling two (?) of them would get us our left back, Back up c/b and perhaps a loan striker (although I grant you there need to be buyers willing to cough up). For me that is probably adequate for now. Even if it were just Anderson, we might be able to make decent additions elsewhere. Of the three I would say Yarmo contributed the most last season.

We never needed Eze IMO. Palace needed him because they score very few goals. Indeed their star man Zaha only managed one more league goal than Cresswell last season.

Wilshere also needs to go, although almost certainly this will need to be a la Roberto where we subsidise his departure.

It’s great to have Grady back but it should not be forgotten that we also have Snodgrass returning - he was a post Covid absentee. I for one cannot wait to see how his set pieces go with Soucek. I reckon the latter is going to get into double figures in terms of goals next season.

ScotHammer

One of the players who came good post-lockdown IMO was Fornals. In all the discussions around returning players (Diangana, Snodgrass, etc), he seems to be forgotten. Perhaps Moyes sees him for a role next year? We haven’t really seen him with Haller yet.

ASLEFshrugged

baracks_a_hammer said:

I personally think this window will revolve around the fates of Lanzini, Anderson and Yarmo.

I totally agree

No one is interested, they'll still be here at the end of the transfer window and we aren't going to get any funds to bring in new players.

Fortuneseeker

ASLEF, won’t we have some funds when Rice leaves? 🤔

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

baracks_a_hammer said:

I personally think this window will revolve around the fates of Lanzini, Anderson and Yarmo

None of these were regular starters post Covid at a time when we actually started to play better. Yet they are big hitters in terms of either transfer fees, salary or both. I would have thought that selling two (?) of them would get us our left back, Back up c/b and perhaps a loan striker (although I grant you there need to be buyers willing to cough up). For me that is probably adequate for now. Even if it were just Anderson, we might be able to make decent additions elsewhere. Of the three I would say Yarmo contributed the most last season.

We never needed Eze IMO. Palace needed him because they score very few goals. Indeed their star man Zaha only managed one more league goal than Cresswell last season.

Wilshere also needs to go, although almost certainly this will need to be a la Roberto where we subsidise his departure.

It’s great to have Grady back but it should not be forgotten that we also have Snodgrass returning - he was a post Covid absentee. I for one cannot wait to see how his set pieces go with Soucek. I reckon the latter is going to get into double figures in terms of goals next season.

Think all roads lead to Anderson

Think he looked the least interested last year, and also hasn't done much in the little of preseason whereas you can see that Lanzini and Yarmolenko are at least trying to contribute

Think he also commands the biggest fee so imo I hope it is him

Left back is still the biggest worry

Agree RE Snodgrass, a bit of a forgotten man but was actually one of our better players last year and someone who you know will give it his all

Also Agree with wilshere, just isnt a Prem player anymore, and not sure how he fits in

Not creative enough to play behind the striker and too weak to play as a holding player, would rather Coventry and Cullen be given minutes over him

claretandbluesky

I think most would prefer us to keep Rice and buy no one rather than sell rice and enter the market. We have no need sell with the contract he is under and should they sell I feel the owners will never again be able to claim to be taking the club forward. I also feel they will regret it as I do think he is a genuine game changer many weeks.

baracks_a_hammer

I’m not sure I would describe Rice as a “game changer“. A very important Cog in our team, definitely, but not a game changer in my opinion.

ianbishoplegend

Not really any prem teams that need to sell these days - just agents trying to get the maximum income from each asset

EXETERHAMMER

As and when Declan Rice is sold, whether it is for £60million or £80 million or whatever, I will be amazed if we see the funds reinvested on the pitch. I cannot think of a replacement who is of a similar calibre to Rice who would want to come to West Ham, even if the the owners were willing to spend.

I hope I am so wrong and Declan stays, or if he does go, Moyes gets the funds to magic up a replacement.

OutcastLondoner

If Rice is sold late in the window, when it’s too late to properly set up our season with the right transfers, I would have major suspicions about the state of the club’s finances and where that money is going.

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

EXETERHAMMER said:

As and when Declan Rice is sold, whether it is for £60million or £80 million or whatever, I will be amazed if we see the funds reinvested on the pitch. I cannot think of a replacement who is of a similar calibre to Rice who would want to come to West Ham, even if the the owners were willing to spend.

I hope I am so wrong and Declan stays, or if he does go, Moyes gets the funds to magic up a replacement.

Why would you be amazed to see the funds reinvested? Has there been any evidence to suggest any money we made wont be reinvested

I mean we reinvested the Arnie money on Haller, and while the jan window is an awful time to invest we spent 80% of the Payet money on Snodgrass and Fonte

We dont necessarily need to spend £60mil on one player to replace one player

Think if we did get £60mil we could get a new CM, Striker and LB for that, all of which are good quality

alderz

Didn’t Leicester sign Kante for a few million? There are good players out there that would be affordable, but I’m not sure I trust us to find them

claretandbluesky

The problem is we will never be able to attract a player of the quality of Rice so if you want to improve you simply must keep them when you produce one. To not do so just says there is no real ambition.

Kuchinghammer

If we buy a CF, he'll need to be better than Yarmo, who has our best goals per minute stats. He also links up well with Superczec, and plays CF for Ukraine. Now he's fit again, he could be a key player. IMO.

Yeoldhammer

if we go into the new season with Cresswell / Masuaku as our Left backs we will be up there as a favourite for relegation.

Pengeman

With tight money, I am wondering whether Moyes will convert Yarmolenko to a central striker, a repeat of Arnautovic. The jury is still out on Haller and Antonio is injured again (not sure for how long) and will have a long spell out some time during the season. Yarmolenko is inconsistent, but has height (6 ft 2in), the movement and skill. This is similar to Arnautovic before his conversion.

Hamstew

The comment made by ex a while ago, if true I wouldn't expect a lot of movement with transfers.
The West Ham board now "want us to stay up with minimal outlay"

OutcastLondoner

I don't think Yarmolenko fits the model Moyes uses for converting wide players. He's got the skill and finishing but not he's not as mobile. I think it was the strength and speed that he used in Antonio and Arnautovic.

Yarmolenko should be used to get closer to Haller, in my opinion. I think they could really effectively link up.

Clactonite

Credit where it’s due, that Tottenham video announcing Matt Doherty signing, with him awkwardly deleting his love of Arsenal tweets is pretty funny.