The David Moyes Thread

jay_in_cpt

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

jay_in_cpt said:

baracks_a_hammer said:

Over Moyes?

Well Parker, Potter, Wilder for starters

And I refuse to believe all would be mission impossible - money talks as Everton have just proved

You can add Benitez to that, IMO you are right Money talks, u get nothing if you don't try, that's right we are getting....David Moyes :wahoo:

Pelle was one of the highest paid managers in the world. So let’s stop pretending the owners are cheap when hiring managers.

jorderz, we all know he was well paid, no issue, so do it again then ( & BTW we never paid anything to his Chinese club that Pelle had quit before joining us ) so we never paid massive compensation just an above average salary.

jay_in_cpt

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

jay_in_cpt said:

I for one cannot believe any West Ham supporter would be impressed with this appointment, but what do I know, each to their own :ok:

I wouldn’t say I’m ecstatic, to be honest. I just think we need to get out of the mess left behind by another ‘sexy’ manager who alleges ‘sexy’ football but can’t get a team to defend or run beyond 60 minutes.

Relegation would be catastrophic for us. I don’t blame the owners for playing it safe (I blame them for many other things, but not that, not in this situation).

And like I say, it’s my opinion that we have an awful lot of talent going forward. So a manager that comes in and structures the team and improves the fitness, work-rate and defending will do well here.

Get the back-line and midfielders fit and solid and give the ball to Felipe and Lanzini and co and I think we’ll climb the table.

If Pelle is your idea of Sexy, then sorry Jorderz you need to see an optician

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

baracks_a_hammer said:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

Cuz1 said:

He did such a good job that clubs seem to be climbing over him to appoint him

I don’t really care what other clubs do/think/want.

Well I think it is very relevant. If an employee of mine left, did not work in the relevant type of role for the best part of two years, I wouldn’t be overly desperate to take them back on. Fair play if any of you think differently

Personally if an employee of mine left after doing a good job (delivering on the job they were given, at least) and I needed that job doing again, and they were available, I wouldn’t give a monkeys what they’d been doing in the meantime.

baracks_a_hammer

I lost you at “doing a good job” Jorderz

Agree to disagree?

:ok:

jay_in_cpt

It is just sad that the obvious incoming is probably going to be so unpopular to start with, we will all try to support him I'm sure just with a sad heart & gritted teeth for me, sad times when it's come to reappointing a manager like Moyes, all IMO of course.

OldCastleSwift

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

jay_in_cpt said:

baracks_a_hammer said:

Over Moyes?

Well Parker, Potter, Wilder for starters

And I refuse to believe all would be mission impossible - money talks as Everton have just proved

You can add Benitez to that, IMO you are right Money talks, u get nothing if you don't try, that's right we are getting....David Moyes :wahoo:

Pelle was one of the highest paid managers in the world. So let’s stop pretending the owners are cheap when hiring managers.

The issue, IMO, is whether they're prepared to buy someone they really want out of their contract.

I reckon Benitez has always been Sullivan's No1 choice, but right now he'd cost money to get him in. And I think this where our owners won't break the bank. Imagine Moyes had joined another club when he left us. He's half way through a three-year contract and would cost £6m to get him and his backroom staff. Do you think he'd be top of the list then? Or do you think we'd be talking about Hughton or Pulis?

MrsGrey

baracks/jorderz, you are comparing apples and pears. 'Ordinary' employees are expected to be in regular employment and not have gaps on their CVs. Football managers frequently do, and it's normal. Pep... Benitez...Jose... all names that have been mentioned by posters are preferred.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

baracks_a_hammer said:

I lost you at “doing a good job” Jorderz

Agree to disagree?

:ok:

Well, I think his job was to keep us up and he did it. So that’s a good job.

I don’t think his job was to take us from 18th to the Europa League.

But sure :thumbsup:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

OldCastleSwift said:

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

jay_in_cpt said:

baracks_a_hammer said:

Over Moyes?

Well Parker, Potter, Wilder for starters

And I refuse to believe all would be mission impossible - money talks as Everton have just proved

You can add Benitez to that, IMO you are right Money talks, u get nothing if you don't try, that's right we are getting....David Moyes :wahoo:

Pelle was one of the highest paid managers in the world. So let’s stop pretending the owners are cheap when hiring managers.

The issue, IMO, is whether they're prepared to buy someone they really want out of their contract.

I reckon Benitez has always been Sullivan's No1 choice, but right now he'd cost money to get him in. And I think this where our owners won't break the bank. Imagine Moyes had joined another club when he left us. He's half way through a three-year contract and would cost £6m to get him and his backroom staff. Do you think he'd be top of the list then? Or do you think we'd be talking about Hughton or Pulis?

I do think Benitez would be their first choice, honestly. But he may well have indicated he doesn’t want to come to us, rather than it being a case of them not paying.

Plus spending a fortune on Pelle hasn’t worked out. Don’t blame them for being more cautious this time.

baracks_a_hammer

If it’s a money thing then

Rafa + no Jan signings > Moyes plus Jan transfer kitty

Although I do appreciate it is more complicated on the Rafa front than that

Cuz1

Imo we won’t go down, but when these players wake up and perform and fab earns us a few points I for one won’t be banging on the moyes drum, if he his appointed I will be bitterly disappointed

IronHerb

jay_in_cpt said:

I've been waiting for a stat person to work out what our points will be at the end of the season basing it on his last stint-
P31
W9
D10L12

This time he he has only 19 games to work with ( forget cup matches )...

:ok:

Moyes first 19 league games ended W5 D6 L8.

jay_in_cpt

Thanks IH, so that would give us the magic 40 points...will it be enough?...will he be able to do the same or better, guess only time will tell :ok:

Hamstew

baracks_a_hammer said:

If it’s a money thing then

Rafa + no Jan signings > Moyes plus Jan transfer kitty

Although I do appreciate it is more complicated on the Rafa front than that

Rafa and no kitty for me

ianbishoplegend

Hopefully Moyes will get us out of this dark relegation spiral. If he pulls it off again, really looking forward to him having a pre-season and transfer window for next season.

SuzanneClaret

jay_in_cpt said:

I for one cannot believe any West Ham supporter would be impressed with this appointment, but what do I know, each to their own :ok:

Any West Ham supporter? Out of the hundreds of thousands world wide?

A bold statement.

But, each to their own.

baracks_a_hammer

Just think, this whole pallava caused by Roberto - I was never convinced by Pelle and thought he underwhelmed generally, however still I think we’d have bumbled along and been around 6 points better off, with Pelle still in charge

jay_in_cpt

You only live once Suzanne be bold or ...go home

SuzanneClaret

Excellent work Adam :clap:

Hamstew

Adam said:

Thought I’d have a look at our squad now (left) and compare it to when Moyes was last here (right). I’ve split them by defenders, midfielders (central) and attackers (including wingers). Although the split can be different since some can play in various roles like Anderson, Lanzini, Snodgrass.

Our midfielder and attack is worse now imo.

Although Rice is better than he was then.

baracks_a_hammer

So Jorderz, re Adam’s excellent post, Moyes had a better midfield and attack than Pelle?

jay_in_cpt

Adam :ok: that's even more worrying now looking at that...

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

baracks_a_hammer said:

So Jorderz, re Adam’s excellent post, Moyes had a better midfield and attack than Pelle?

I think he had more strength in depth in midfield. Rice is so much better now than then that I don’t think you can really count him as being part of Moyes’ best team.

With forwards, again there was an extra option then, though Sakho and Carroll were perpetually injured and Ayew and Chica were both awful apart from an occasional finish in the 6-yard box.

But IMO all of Fabianski, Diop, Balbuena, Fredericks, Fornals, Anderson, Yarmo, Haller and even Snodgrass are better (should be better, though haven’t been performing) than their equivalents under Moyes.

Hamstew

Yarmo is rubbish imo

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I think there’s a better player in Yarmo than Ayew ever was for us. But I agree he’s generally disappointed. Though shouldn’t be forgotten he missed almost all of last season. Might still be getting used to the league, like Fornals is.

ianbishoplegend

Has it been announced? Cant wait, can't wait, can't wait!

Hamstew

Ayew actually scored some important goals for us. I thought he was an ok player. Not worth the money but ok.

ianbishoplegend

Bilic loved Ayew when he destroyed us. Problem was we played nothing like Swansea. Was a complete passenger in out formations and tactics.

claretandbluesky

I feel things could be worse than we imagine in that when people say that we have missed out on other managers by leaving it later than they did I am not sure I agree. If we are anything like organised behind the scenes we would have been making overtures these last few weeks and I imagine Ancelotti, Benitez etc would have been contacted and sounded out. It could very well be that we have found no one of any greater stature than Moyes interested. I simply cannot imagine the club went into the process of drawing up a list of preferred candidates and that Moyes was anywhere near the top. After all if the group of people who will be employing him this time is the same that took the decision to not renew last time its unlikely they are too enthused by his appointment this time. It feels like a 'we just need someone' appointment.

It's massive for the directors as this is loading a gun for those that would like nothing more than to protest again. I am not sure they deserve any blame for where we are at present as they secured an experienced manager with good credentials and have supported him to a reasonable extent in the transfer market. My view is still that Roberto sent us into freefall and the lost confidence contrived to make matters worse and like some others feel without Roberto we would be mid table and mildly grumbling rather than where we are. This appointment however could be seen as a poor appointment as there is little in Moyes recent CV to suggest he is manager to take us forward or even survive relegation. I thought his last stint here was ok but I was not fussed about him being let go. It's not the worst appointment in the world but I doubt many are actually excited.

If I look to best and worst scenarios at end of season they would be as follows.

Moyes given money in January and spends well, he gets players working harder and unlocks a couple as he did with Arnie. We begin to climb to mid table and after a good late run we end up around 8th -9th and it goes down as another missed season but look forward to next with a good squad atmosphere.

Moyes makes some pretty unimaginative additions in January, we scrape a few draws but stay around relegation most of the season but just about manage to survive by 3 or 4 points come the end. Rice decides he wants to leave along with one or two others and we have to really build from the bottom again after another wasted year since leaving the Boleyn on such a high still no better off for doing so football wise.

BubblesNeverDies

Let's face it, we're in a fire-fighting situation.
What high-profile manager would want to come to us and risk having a blot on their CV as MP now has? That's more likely to be the reason Rafa has said no.
We've probably been lucky that Moyes has even agreed to return.
I really think we were a cert to go down if MP had stayed.