West Ham’s next boss

yoyo

Who's the saviour? I don't see us getting any so called decent " big named " manager that is currently employed. I can only see it being a freebie or one from a lower league. We're in a whole...it's going to be a tough ride

baracks_a_hammer

Defect on Saturday could be curtains for Pelle according to the guardian

MIAHammer

baracks_a_hammer said:

Why couldn’t we get Wilder? It would just be a case of compensating Sheff Utd - something we are well used to doing.

Probably because he wouldn't want to come to us!

Hamstew

Looks like something is going to go down during the Leicester game. Is that on sky?

alderz

So, I've seen a bunch of people recently complain that the owners are cheap because they don't employ managers that are employed, because it means they will be paying compensation. I don't necessarily disagree with that, but I wondered to myself how common it is for PL clubs to hire an employed manager.

Over the past four and half seasons (2016/17 til today) there have been 55 managerial changes by Premier League clubs (not including Everton, Watford & Arsenal, as they haven't made appointments yet). 31 of these were during the season, and 24 were in the close season.

29% (16) of these were in employment at the time that the hiring club sacked their previous manager. They were:

- Graham Potter - Swansea to Brighton
- Antonio Conte - Italy to Chelsea (though his contract was ending)
- Frank Lampard - Derby to Chelsea
- Ronald Koeman - Southampton to Everton
- Jan Siewart - Dortmund II to Huddersfield
- Brendan Rodgers - Celtic to Leicester
- Pep Guardiola - Bayern to City
- Ole Gunnar Solskjaer - Molde to Utd
- Steve Bruce - Sheffield Wednesday to Newcastle
- Gary Rowett - Derby to Stoke
- Simon Grayson - Preston to Sunderland
- Bob Bradley - Le Havre to Swansea
- Carlos Carvalhal - Sheffield Wednesday to Swansea (though he did get sacked between Swansea sacking Paul Clement and him being hired)
- Graham Potter - Ostersund to Swansea
- Marco Silva - Hull to Watford (quit Hull before being appointed)
- Manuel Pellegrini - Hebei China Fortune to West Ham

Only 5 of those were mid season changes. That means that only 5 of the past 31 mid season managerial changes by PL clubs have been to recruit a manager in a job, and the Carlos Calvalhal appointment stretches the logic slightly, so it's probably more accurate to say 4.

In that time, these clubs have turned to an out of work manager at least once: Aston Villa, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, Everton, Fulham, Hull City, Leicester, Liverpool, Middlesbrough, Newcastle, Southampton, Stoke, Sunderland, Swansea, Spurs, Watford, West Brom, West Ham.

So, basically, it's really, very rare for any club to prise a manager from the grasp of another club. OBVIOUSLY that doesn't mean we shouldn't do it, but it does mean it is extraordinarily unusual for any club to do so, which - to me - means it's not a stick we should beat the owners with.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

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Fortuneseeker

alderz,

I am sure we can find another stick to beat the owners with. :whistle:

grey_til_I_dye

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alderz

Fortune

Oh, I completely believe in our collective ability to do so

alderz

I should have made it slightly clearer actually. It's important to note that nearly half (46%) of close season appointments are managers in work. Only 16% of mid season appointments are the same.

Hamstew

Paulo Di Canio :quaver: :scarf:

Fortuneseeker

Hamstew,

The Leicester game is in the evening of the 28th as they are playing Bazpool on Boxing Day night. I did predict the natives would get restless and plan another protest.

Colchester_Iron

Brad Bobley.

BubblesNeverDies

Brad Bobley was sacked, with Swansea winning only two of his 11 games in charge and conceding 29 goals in the process.

Winning two out of 11 games and conceding 29 goals.
Not exactly the same but does it sound familiar :hmm:

Hamstew

Ex seems to think he has the Saints game to save his job. So if we win he's safe for a few more games until his next poor run. Makes sense :hmm: Regardless it looks as if there is going to be some sort of walk out or boycott during the Foxes game.

BubblesNeverDies

Ham, so he'll be gone on Sunday then.

Lukerz

The board will really show themselves up if they sack him after yet another defeat Saturday. That is a crucial game. Lose that, and I would make us one of the favourites to go down. We need a reaction for that game.

If they leave him in charge, implying he is the man to take us forward, then sack him after losing Saturday, that will be a shambles.

You can see he has no answers to the slump we are in. The mentality is brittle & confidence is low, yet he has no solution to solve it. The Chelsea win was the chance to springboard us forward, but we have lost both games since at an aggregate of 1-5.

He needs to be moved on sooner than later. Saints & Palace are massive games & we need a reaction for them, one we have no evidence to suggest we will get as it currently stands.

BubblesNeverDies

Lukerz
Did you mean
The board will really show themselves up if they don't sack him after yet another defeat Saturday

Lukerz

BND - no, I mean if they sack him Saturday after holding off last night/today, it just makes a mockery of their decision making.

yoyo

I think the board are in a " damned if they do, damned if they don't " situation. But they're decisions you have to make when you run any club or business. I don't envy them. Sack him and we suffer, then it was wrong. Keep him and we suffer then it was wrong. Tough call to make

imagelost

yoyo said:

I think the board are in a " damned if they do, damned if they don't " situation. But they're decisions you have to make when you run any club or business. I don't envy them. Sack him and we suffer, then it was wrong. Keep him and we suffer then it was wrong. Tough call to make

:wave:Pelle

baracks_a_hammer

There’s a risk of over-engineering and over-thinking this all

Bottom line is we are playing terribly, our fitness levels appalling, big signings benched, lack of spirit and drive, and no real sign of an end to it all. It’s a ruthless league in a cut throat sport, and If all these kinds of things happen it is usually the coach’s price to pay

Pearces_Left_Foot

We are back where we were under Bilic before they sacked him

baracks_a_hammer

Alderz

I won’t quote your whole (excellent) piece about sacking managers and recruiting managers mid season - the stats esp were interesting, perhaps giving G&S a bit of slack

It would be worth though adding one more stat in there. How many clubs have sold their ground, their spiritual home for decades, and moved to a rented stadium not even designed for football? That’s the stick I would whack our owners with

Fortuneseeker

baracks, plus all the spin they put on how moving would benefit us. I have yet to see any tangible evidence we are heading in the direction we were told we would.

alderz

baracks_a_hammer said:

Alderz

I won’t quote your whole (excellent) piece about sacking managers and recruiting managers mid season - the stats esp were interesting, perhaps giving G&S a bit of slack

It would be worth though adding one more stat in there. How many clubs have sold their ground, their spiritual home for decades, and moved to a rented stadium not even designed for football? That’s the stick I would whack our owners with

That is a perfectly good stick to whack them with, imo. I would like a turn to whack them with it too

Bazshuayi

'Bazpool on Boxing Day night'

Had to quote it and it raised a big :biggrin: I'm currently lobbying for the name change :thumbsup:

thornburyiron

Ancelloti has been sacked by Napoli. In the frame?

Hamstew

Not for me

imagelost

Bazshuayi said:

'Bazpool on Boxing Day night'

Had to quote it and it raised a big :biggrin: I'm currently lobbying for the name change :thumbsup:

I may change my name to
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