The relegation battle - get out of my league!
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When people moan and groan about VAR, I think back to that Bournemouth game.
A simple VAR decision, and the absence of it could have cost us a place in the PL.
Can't come soon enough for me. I think the PL made a big mistake rejecting it for next season.
Then that would have been fair.
I don't think anyone benefits from games that involve clear errors.
There is no reason why it shouldn’t be implemented ASAP. Who cares if it causes confusion in the early stages - at least it will have a far greater chance of delivering the correct call. There is far too much riding on refereeing errors
In Antonio's case, however, we were literally seconds away from the three points. If he had held on to the ball we'd have won that game, no question. And had Madley been competent and disallowed Wilson's goal as he should have then Im sure we'd have won that one too.
I think we will still be in the premier league next season but the thought of going through the same old disappointment and worry from start to finish of the season does not fill me with any joy whatsoever. I wish I could go off and support some other more successful team but it just doesn't work like that does it.
Blimey, if a Husband. Wife or partner consistently treated you the way West Ham treat us you'd just walk away.
Wouldn't you ??? ;weep
In which case, what would you consider achievement?
9th or 7th isn't avoiding relegation, imo.
In the last 20 FA Cups, only 13 of the 40 finalists have been outside the traditional top teams, and only 2 of the winners.
For the League Cup it is 14 teams, of which 5 of the winners are from outside the traditional top teams.
I don't see how anyone could reasonably 'expect' us to get to a cup final, never mind win one.
Now we're looking at a relegation battle that could go down to the last minute of the last game.
Irons.
Have to agree that particular game still haunts me !...
However looking forward to the end of the season, I believe there a few reasons to be better spirited:
1) West Brom are going down. A team that has been hard to beat and in the prem for a few seasons. Being replaced by a weaker team
2) Stoke are pretty much down. Even more than a bonus compared to West Brom.
3) I think we have a good base of players to build on. Best squad for a long time.
4) The board have to get the cheque book. Under big pressure to spend and spend well.
5) whatever you think about Moyes he knows he has to deliver. He’ll work all off season to make things happen. Hope so!
6) the word cup
1) West Brom being replaced by Wolves!
4) The Board don't have to do anything, much as we would like them to, they haven't spent to the level we had hoped for.
5) Moyes has some quality at his disposal but appears reluctant to use it to our benefit. Javier Hernandez he sold when at Manchester United and can see him doing so again so unsure he can be trusted to make the right decisions.
Klopp 108 54 31 23 196 121 50.0
Rodgers 108 59 23 26 225 135 54.6
Here's a little comparison of our premier league performances since season 2012.
We have broken top 10 twice ie 10th once in our first season back in the prem and 7th in the first Payet season which I think most of us agree was a weird season as far as the top clubs were concerned so arguably it's a bit skewed. I know that final league positions would on the face of it look as though we aren't normally in danger of relegation but it generally certainly doesn't feel like that as the seasons wear on. At least it doesn't to me.
Also it doesn't look like we are making much, if any, inroads into the club progressing to any degree. In fact my own view for what it's worth is that, at best, we are standing still and here we are with a flirtation with relegation. I confess that short of a sugar daddy buying the club I can't see any way things will change at least for the foreseeable future.
The stats below are irrefutable but my reading of them is my own opinion and although I'm sure some of you wont agree with me I really don't want to get embroiled in any arguments over it.
Season W. D. L. Goals for and against. Diff. Points. Position
12/13. 12. 10. 16. 45/53.......................... -8. 46. 10
13/14. 11. 7. 20. 40/51.......................... -11. 40. 13
14/15. 12. 11. 15. 44/47.......................... -3. 47. 12
15/16. 16. 14. 8. 65/51.......................... +14. 62. 7
16/17. 12. 9. 17. 47/64.......................... -17. 45. 11
17/18. 8. 11. 15. 42/63.......................... -21. 35. 15
Certainly the last two seasons have been bad with the club showing no real progress, in fact we are regressing.
3 of those seasons we were pretty comfy (2012/13, 2014/15 and 2015/16). The other three we have basically been in a relegation battle for most of it. 2013/14 we were until we won 4 on the spin in February.
But the last two seasons have been the big alarm bells. 7th in the final season at the Boleyn to 11th and now 15th since moving to the LS. Needs to be addressed before we go down. We'll end up being like Villa and Sunderland. Several seasons where the warning signs were there, not addressed and then the inevitable relegation.
Not too bad on the face of it.
But it does suggest that we are a bang average Premier League team, which I think most of us accept. Two problems for me, however:
1. Based on the last two seasons, that have involved two relegation scraps, we appear to be regressing.
2. Bang average at the Boleyn felt ok. It's all I've been used to. Bang average in a stadium that I don't like against a back drop of unachievable ambition of the part of the board, however, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
It's good that the big 4 has now become the Big 6, but I agree, outside of that you're left playing for the hope of 7th place being enough Europa League qualification.
Which makes me wonder why more clubs (like us) don't go all out for a cup, as that represents our only real chance of success. Most clubs, however, seems to sacrifice that opportunity to concentrate staying in a league that, realistically, they can't compete in (other than to stay in it) ;hmm
All about the money though I guess.
But clubs towards the further end of cup competitions do pretty much go all out for it. And mostly they lose out to one of the 'top 6'.
In earlier stages, it is a decent opportunity to give squad players or younger players a game.
In the end, I don't think it would matter how 'all out' any club went for a cup; there is no way of controlling the draw, and in the latter stages you are likely to come up against one or more of the top teams.
I think you could put a squad together to have a reasonable expectation of finishing upper mid-table, but not to win a cup, which, for all bar one of the top teams, will be their only chance of silverware in any season.
“Horrible season, horrible football - get rid”
This from a supporter of a club with 10 more points than us - I think you can guess the club
;lol
I know it's almost inevitable that the West Hams and Newcastles of this world will meet a Man City or Liverpool in the later stages, and that our chances of actually winning a trophy are pretty slim, but I can't help but think that Premier League survival will always take priority.
I don't know, sometimes I think I'd rather we did a Wigan; win a trophy and be relegated, rather than win nothing and just bob around half-way up the league season after season. But that may be because I was six months old the last time we won a major trophy and have absolutely no recollection of it.
We moved stadiums to enable us to better that difference not just position wise but point wise, that we should be sitting where Burnley are currently, that come the end of the season we are a good 10 points ahead of the 'Majority' of "the rest." with maybe 1 or 2 close for comfort like an Everton and Leicester.
Instead we are trailing wayyyyy behind to the point of questioning why we bothered moving stadiums as there has been on the whole zero benefit other than an increased capacity at a significant viewing disadvantage.