The relegation battle - get out of my league!

Thought this deserved it's own thread, as, tbh, there's not much to discuss about the top end, and little potential excitement/interest.
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  • I think we will need a lot more than 3 more wins to be safe. There are so many teams in it atm that I reckon the final total needed to stay in the PL could be pretty high.
  • I think we will need a lot more than 3 more wins to be safe. There are so many teams in it atm that I reckon the final total needed to stay in the PL could be pretty high.

    A lot of them teams after play each other
  • They probably all will at some point ;wink
    But I still expect the points total for safety to be close to 40 if not above. Just don't let it be us who go down with 42 points. Not again!
  • I looked previously at points needed to survive and eventually managed to sort out some sort of logic.

    If a team or two gets cut adrift, then there are more points for the other teams and the points needed to survive goes up.

    If everybody is in the mix then the points are well shared out and the total needed for survival actually goes down.

    For reference, Euroclubindex is currently predicting 36 points as the final total for both the last relegated and first safe club this year.
  • Most seasons 37 points is enough to stay up, obviously we know better than most that it's no guarantee, but that's only 12 points away. Hopefully we can get most of those in the next few games, and then pick up a few more in Feb and early March as we've a tough run in.
  • ValiantIron ;ok
    It seems obvious to me that the more the points are shared amongst relegation battlers the lower the total required for survival as opposed to MunichHammer's prediction.
  • I just think there are too many teams in it at the moment. No team is clearly being left behind and they seem to be getting points off the top dogs, too. I won't be relaxing until we are either mathmatically safe or we have 43 points.
  • 36 has been the safety mark average for the last 10 seasons.

    It's only been higher than that twice in that period - 39 and 37.

    Current bottom 6

    Ave pts/game- ave to get to 36 - ave last 5 games.

    Swans - .74/game - 1.26 - 1.0
    WBA - .825/game - 1.26 - 1.0
    Sroke - .90/ game - 1.0 - 0.8
    Soton - .91/game - 1.1 - 0.6
    Brighton/Newcastle - 1/game - 1.0 - 1.6

    It's hard to see 4 of those sides getting past 36 points.
  • ValiantIron ;ok
    It seems obvious to me that the more the points are shared amongst relegation battlers the lower the total required for survival as opposed to MunichHammer's prediction.

    It was obvious to me, after I did the analysis! ;doh

  • (Comments split from Next 8 thread.)
  • edited January 2018
    Assuming a baseline of 36 points for survival, here's how the bottom 10 teams are faring:

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    No surprise that the bottom 4 currently have the worst ave/game for recent matches, and it would be no surprise if 3 of those 4 were the relegated teams this season.

    It's actually a decent start for Lambert, as Stoke don't play any of the top 6 in their next 6 games, but if he doesn't get them going by then, then I think they are probably gone.
  • Read across to Stokes top 6 still to play.... Is it just me that sees a laugh 'HAHA'...

    #Nurse
  • Newcastle, Huddersfield and Brighton have them all to play.

    Huddersfield the most A and Brighton the most H.
  • edited January 2018
    Still incredibly tight, with just 4 points separating 17th from 10th (Watford are ahead of us by 1 goal in GD).

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    Good game weeks for Stoke (although Huddersfield at home would probably be the game any manager would pick atm), and especially for Swansea.

    Along with Bournemouth, we continue to have the best 'last 6' form.
  • What we need is the best "next 6" form and then again for the 6 after that.
    I can't remember the last season where there hasn't been a team who you could say needed a miraculous run of results of survive.
    Two weekends of the kind of results we've been having could see 10th/11th and 12th changing places with 18th/19th and 20th.
    It's been a weird season but exciting although I'd rather be on the outside looking in than on the inside looking out.
  • Forgot to post revised table - done now.

    For me, if we average 1.5 points for the next 6 games we are safe.
  • Grey in your table you need to change our game against Chelsea to A
  • I think you could add Watford and Everton to your table.
  • Just 6 points above bottom of the league now... ;puzzled
  • Herb

    Yeah, I just used the bottom 10 as a cut-off point.
  • I know you like a table. ;biggrin
  • Only cos they are full of stats! ;biggrin
  • The more the merrier surely. ;lol
  • And I won't call you Shirley again. ;biggrin
  • Adam

    I still think 36 points will be the cutoff, so if we get to 35 with 8 games to go, I'll be pretty confident of our survival.
  • Sorry Adam but what do you mean by winnable? ;hmm
  • edited January 2018
    Adam ;ok

    I'd be very surprised if we couldn't get 4 wins from our last 14 games, and even more surprised if 38 didn't keep a team up.
  • I was very confident before the news about Arnie and Lanzini. That’s our top scorer and best player home for the most crucial set of fixtures in the remainder of our season.

    Shame we’ve dropped a few points in games late on (Burnley away, Palace away, Bournemouth away, Spurs away etc). That’s an extra 8 points and we’d be on 34 and safe.

    I think Newcastle, Brighton, Huddersfield are the ones on the decline. But you could look at all the other teams and say ‘I can’t see them going down’.

    We are going to struggle big time over the next few weeks. Make no mistake. It’s not going to be pretty with only Hernandez and Ayew to select as attacking options. I’d be happy to be on 30 points by end of Feb.
  • We beat Chelsea and drew with Spurs and Arsenal of the top 6 so I go into them with some hope.
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