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  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Papers saying the worst shower Miami as seen
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Big police presence inside and outside the ground for the saints game. SAG have said they will not use the restricted or closed ground sanction at the moment but will monitor future games. Any future instances such as last week and they would consider advising the certifying authority to use these measures.
    Lets hope future games pass without any reoccurrences.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    More to come out of the meeting

    "It is only now that the sheer scale and organisation of Saturday's trouble is becoming apparent.

    Rather than the spontaneous uprising against the club's owners it initially appeared to be, it has now been established hundreds of supporters were involved, communicating with mobile phones, and creating small-scale problems, in a concerted effort to get security staff away from their designated areas to leave the directors' box, in particular, vulnerable.

    Sixty staff are employed at London Stadium on matchdays with the specific brief to keep fans off the pitch. It has been established that on Saturday, 85% of those attempts were repelled."
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Might be true but it also sounds like an excuse for bad stewarding.
  • KuchinghammerKuchinghammer
    Outcast: re. DoF...that's kind of what I was saying. Too many fans are becoming polarised into all against the Board or all against the protesters. Businesses don't work well like that. However, Sullivan backing off and letting a DoF direct the footballing side of things might just create some middle ground.
    On stewarding, if the protesters are as organised as the report makes out, then the stewards have no chance of stopping this happening again. IF. It all depends on their aims - tv glory, showing they're so hard, having a revolution by kicking out the Board, closing the ground down (Spurs & Chelsea supporters might think this is clever)... or whether they're genuinely concerned fans who have drawn attention to their grievances and will accept dialogue and step by step progress. Your ear is closer to the ground than me over here in Borneo, what do you reckon?
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2018
    thorn, have you got a link for where that report/findings come from, please?

    outcast - could be, BUT it sounds pretty certain from the way it is phrased .. 'now been established that' rather than 'though that'....

    it has now been established hundreds of supporters were involved, communicating with mobile phones, and creating small-scale problems, in a concerted effort to get security staff away from their designated areas to leave the directors' box, in particular, vulnerable.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    It was on the BBC website yesterday
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2018
    Cheers, just catching on on the mornings news, I see the club has also put up a copy of the SAG statement.

    I found interesting that the stewards stopped most attempted pitch incursions successfully (so we only saw their failures). http://www.whufc.com/news/articles/2018/march/15-march/west-ham-united-welcome-safety-advisory-group-statement

    BBC version here http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43424575

    Neither of those have the bit about it being co-ordinated disruption. I'll see if I can find where that part of the story comes form.

    Edit: My mistake, it comes from the 'analysis' bit of the BBC article at the bottom...
  • billybondsbeardbillybondsbeard
    "They were coordinated, we didnt stand a chance"

    They are either mindless thugs, or tactical geniuses

    What a complete load of rubbish

    Prove it I say
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Nice to see you keeping an open mind ;wink

  • IronHerbIronHerb
    I feel there's lot of flannel that report.

    No deficiencies appear to have been highlighted.

    If the four successful incursions was 15% of the total then that means there were some 25 attempts in all unless they included the mob who came down towards the dugouts at the end.

    They are so keen to get the culprits that the stewards escorted them off the pitch and back into the crowd?

    Where in the SAG was it reported that it was a well orchestrated piece? Looks like a bit of BBC spin at this point.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2018
    IronHerb said:



    They are so keen to get the culprits that the stewards escorted them off the pitch and back into the crowd?

    This is ridiculous - it was a serious failing, imo.

    Hopefully the stewards will have been told to up their game in the event of any recurrence.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited March 2018
    IronHerb said:


    No deficiencies appear to have been highlighted.

    They are referred to though... 'Whilst some issues in the security regime were identified'.
    That's the statement put out after the mtg - not the minutes (where actually instances might be listed). Are the minutes public, do you know?
    IronHerb said:



    Where in the SAG was it reported that it was a well orchestrated piece? Looks like a bit of BBC spin at this point.

    Again - we'd need to see the minutes, I suppose, rather than the statement put out after the mtg.

    I assume the BBC reporter is basing his 'analysis' on what he was told by various people present at the mtg, or who were otherwise party to the investigation or its findings. Whether or not they told him the truth, we don't yet know. But if he published it, it shows that he at least was convinced that the claims had foundation.

  • billybondsbeardbillybondsbeard
    edited March 2018
    Had a look around various site on this one. Apparently, there is minimal phone signal and no wi fi within the ground on match days.(can any ST holders confirm ?)
    There were also no other attempts at a pitch invasion apart from the 4 recorded.

    Loads of people writing to complain to the BBC
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited March 2018
    There were also no other attempts at a pitch invasion apart from the 4 recorded.
    Based on what? Whose evidence is that?

    For someone apparently dead keen on 'show me' and 'prove it', I'd have thought it would be important for you to give the source, and why you find them credible.

    Assuming you can get a phone signal, you wouldn't need wi-fi to connect to the Internet, as you could do it via your service provider.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    You can get a phone signal on match days, its probably on a par with the Boleyn its difficult to check the scores at half time etc due to volume but you can use your phone even if it is a bit slow
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    thornburyiron said:

    More to come out of the meeting

    "It is only now that the sheer scale and organisation of Saturday's trouble is becoming apparent.

    Rather than the spontaneous uprising against the club's owners it initially appeared to be, it has now been established hundreds of supporters were involved, communicating with mobile phones, and creating small-scale problems, in a concerted effort to get security staff away from their designated areas to leave the directors' box, in particular, vulnerable.

    Sixty staff are employed at London Stadium on matchdays with the specific brief to keep fans off the pitch. It has been established that on Saturday, 85% of those attempts were repelled."

    This statement has made me very cross ;angry

    It smacks of a misunderstanding of the situation and a reluctance to deal with the truth of the matter... which was woeful stewarding.

    I watched events unfold from a good vantage point and the gathering under the directors box looked neither organised or stewarded.

    All four pitch invaders made it to their destination with no obstruction from any steward.

    The stewards that sit on the edge of each stands did not move, not once. Not to move those under the directors box on or to get those four off the pitch.

    There have been stewarding issues from the start... It's about time the club and the stadium owners took the issues seriously.



  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited March 2018
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    I took this on Saturday at the height of the protest. I took it to deliberately show how many stewards were involved. It doesn't even reach double figures....
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited March 2018
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    This was taken just before kick off. Those stewards at the front of the stand did not move a muscle during any of the 'trouble'.
  • billybondsbeardbillybondsbeard
    edited March 2018
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    There were also no other attempts at a pitch invasion apart from the 4 recorded.

    Based on what? Whose evidence is that?

    For someone apparently dead keen on 'show me' and 'prove it', I'd have thought it would be important for you to give the source, and why you find them credible.

    Assuming you can get a phone signal, you wouldn't need wi-fi to connect to the Internet, as you could do it via your service provider.
    Grey
    My Grammar is awful today
    Should have had a question mark after 'recorded'.
    I wasnt there - so I am relying on posts from people who were.

    Whats annoying is that this piece is so definitive - but their sources are not quoted for scrutiny.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    To me at the game it did not look like anyone else tried to get onto the pitch.

    But I doubt anyone can be totally sure.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    BTW WiFi is terrible when the stadium is about half full, text messages seldom get though and neither do phones calls.

    Unless the protagonists have their own ham radio system then I think 'concerted effort' is a bit of a stretch.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/Message-for-West-Ham-fans-One-day-you-will-get-your-club-back

    If people want to protest they could take a few pointers from Liverpool fans experience.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited March 2018
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    Still a bit vexed!

    Two pitch invaders, one security person and the security supervisor.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Collins did a better job of getting fans off the pitch than the stewards did
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    bbb

    ;ok

    I'm not above accepting that the security company might lie to try to cover their embarrassment, but it is a rather blatant lie if it is one.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    edited March 2018
    It's all such a mess.... What can't we just play football...

    I'm fed up of the whole thing.
  • billybondsbeardbillybondsbeard

    This guy wasn't going to stop anybody ;doh
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Vorselaarhammer said:

    It's all such a mess.... What can't we just play football...

    I'm fed up of the whole thing.

    I'd like that too Vorse. But I'd like to do my football supporting in an environment that has been made safe.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    It has been established that on Saturday, 85% of those attempts were repelled."

    Then there is this! How? How were they repelled if no one moved? Did they use the force Luke?

    Unless of course plan clothes security staff sprang into action unnoticed.....
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