Board/Fan Relationship

MrsGrey

IronHerb said:

They are so keen to get the culprits that the stewards escorted them off the pitch and back into the crowd?

This is ridiculous - it was a serious failing, imo.

Hopefully the stewards will have been told to up their game in the event of any recurrence.

MrsGrey

IronHerb said:

No deficiencies appear to have been highlighted.

They are referred to though... 'Whilst some issues in the security regime were identified'.
That's the statement put out after the mtg - not the minutes (where actually instances might be listed). Are the minutes public, do you know?

IronHerb said:

Where in the SAG was it reported that it was a well orchestrated piece? Looks like a bit of BBC spin at this point.

Again - we'd need to see the minutes, I suppose, rather than the statement put out after the mtg.

I assume the BBC reporter is basing his 'analysis' on what he was told by various people present at the mtg, or who were otherwise party to the investigation or its findings. Whether or not they told him the truth, we don't yet know. But if he published it, it shows that he at least was convinced that the claims had foundation.

grey_til_I_dye

There were also no other attempts at a pitch invasion apart from the 4 recorded.

Based on what? Whose evidence is that?

For someone apparently dead keen on 'show me' and 'prove it', I'd have thought it would be important for you to give the source, and why you find them credible.

Assuming you can get a phone signal, you wouldn't need wi-fi to connect to the Internet, as you could do it via your service provider.

Pearces_Left_Foot

You can get a phone signal on match days, its probably on a par with the Boleyn its difficult to check the scores at half time etc due to volume but you can use your phone even if it is a bit slow

SuzanneClaret

thornburyiron said:

More to come out of the meeting

"It is only now that the sheer scale and organisation of Saturday's trouble is becoming apparent.

Rather than the spontaneous uprising against the club's owners it initially appeared to be, it has now been established hundreds of supporters were involved, communicating with mobile phones, and creating small-scale problems, in a concerted effort to get security staff away from their designated areas to leave the directors' box, in particular, vulnerable.

Sixty staff are employed at London Stadium on matchdays with the specific brief to keep fans off the pitch. It has been established that on Saturday, 85% of those attempts were repelled."

This statement has made me very cross ;angry

It smacks of a misunderstanding of the situation and a reluctance to deal with the truth of the matter... which was woeful stewarding.

I watched events unfold from a good vantage point and the gathering under the directors box looked neither organised or stewarded.

All four pitch invaders made it to their destination with no obstruction from any steward.

The stewards that sit on the edge of each stands did not move, not once. Not to move those under the directors box on or to get those four off the pitch.

There have been stewarding issues from the start... It's about time the club and the stadium owners took the issues seriously.

SuzanneClaret

I took this on Saturday at the height of the protest. I took it to deliberately show how many stewards were involved. It doesn't even reach double figures....

SuzanneClaret

This was taken just before kick off. Those stewards at the front of the stand did not move a muscle during any of the 'trouble'.

SuzanneClaret

To me at the game it did not look like anyone else tried to get onto the pitch.

But I doubt anyone can be totally sure.

SuzanneClaret

BTW WiFi is terrible when the stadium is about half full, text messages seldom get though and neither do phones calls.

Unless the protagonists have their own ham radio system then I think 'concerted effort' is a bit of a stretch.

Pearces_Left_Foot

http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/Message-for-West-Ham-fans-One-day-you-will-get-your-club-back

If people want to protest they could take a few pointers from Liverpool fans experience.

SuzanneClaret

Still a bit vexed!

Two pitch invaders, one security person and the security supervisor.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Collins did a better job of getting fans off the pitch than the stewards did

grey_til_I_dye

bbb

;ok

I'm not above accepting that the security company might lie to try to cover their embarrassment, but it is a rather blatant lie if it is one.

Vorselaarhammer

It's all such a mess.... What can't we just play football...

I'm fed up of the whole thing.

SuzanneClaret

Vorselaarhammer said:

It's all such a mess.... What can't we just play football...

I'm fed up of the whole thing.

I'd like that too Vorse. But I'd like to do my football supporting in an environment that has been made safe.

SuzanneClaret

It has been established that on Saturday, 85% of those attempts were repelled."

Then there is this! How? How were they repelled if no one moved? Did they use the force Luke?

Unless of course plan clothes security staff sprang into action unnoticed.....

Pearces_Left_Foot

I just want to go to the remaining games get behind the team and hopefully get the points to stay up without any further drama.

MrsGrey

suz, re stewards at the front staying put when there was trouble further back... but isn't that a good thing?

If they'd all beetled off to the directors box area, there could have been more pitch invasions and then we'd be saying why did they leave their posts?

I'm more thinking why weren't there stewards 'on standby' sort of thing, to be able to move to areas that needed reinforcing?

OutcastLondoner

I couldn’t watch the game but am I right that the first pitch invasion was just after the first goal? Would’ve been quite some concerted effort to have timed the distraction of stewards in time for that. Unless Hart was in on it.

I’d be interested to know how they investigated it. I’d assume they found a WhatsApp group on someone’s phone but do they even have he authority to have looked at someone’s phone?

TheMadcapLaughs

The article makes it sound as if the protesting West Ham fans were like some type of well organised insurgent terrorist organisation that have planned this for weeks with synchronised watches, diversionary tactics and coded pass words. A spokesman for West Ham fans, Nestor Makhno, described this article as piffle.

Adam

I think it might depend on the carrier. I can’t get any signal (phone or data) but my friend can. He’s on Vodafone.

IronHerb

grey_til_I_dye said:

bbb

;ok

I'm not above accepting that the security company might lie to try to cover their embarrassment, but it is a rather blatant lie if it is one.

At this point in time I would take it as a blatant lie.

SuzanneClaret

MrsG

I was referring to the statement which stated that resources had been deliberately diverted, by the protesters, when in fact visible resources didn't move a muscle.

Makes me wonder what the orange jacketed cordon is for?

TheMadcapLaughs

BBB, never fear, there will be a meeting held by WHIM (west ham insurrectionary movement) at a time and place unbeknownst to you or I that shall re-set both password and hand shake. Said password and handshake will by divulged to the masses at an allotted time, yet to be determined, at the next home game in a twin pincer touch, whisper and pass it on movement. A sort of slightly embarrassed, self conscious Mexican wave. Once the major rabble rousers are confident that "the masses" have memorised and perfected the latest call to arms it will take an almost imperceptible signal to engender another pitch invasion (four bemused looking chaps, one armed with a plastic stick) and a lot of shouty, pointy people shouting and pointing.

MrsGrey

suz - gotcha ;ok

ianbishoplegend

The only true outcome for me is to get ownership of that stadium. The biggest failing of the board; is getting us a foot halfway in the door there. Levy would have that rebuilt by now. I would tell the government that everyone can get lost (athletics especially), or we will start looking at other lands. No one else needs that headache of a place except us. Ideally athletic should have been handed the keys, and gone bankrupt in a few hrs trying to maintain it. I would get 15,000 in safe standing and build chicken runs over the athletics track. Job done. For me everything else is just a bandaid.

MrsGrey

ianbishoplegend said:

or we will start looking at other lands.

We signed a contract. How do you suggest we break it?

ianbishoplegend said:

I would get 15,000 in safe standing and build chicken runs over the athletics track.

How will you get them to change the rules so that there can be 'safe standing'?

thornburyiron

Levy tried to get the stadium to knock down but couldn’t.

Poshhammer

thornburyiron said:

Levy tried to get the stadium to knock down but couldn’t.

Possibly the only sensible long term solution for that place.

Cuz1

Karen Brady says the board except the blame for everything management players and the new stadium but says it was the right move and we haven’t spent wisely