Board/Fan Relationship

sweepy23

That sounds pretty shocking

Vorselaarhammer

So not only is he not investing he is now actively working against his own club...

Brilliant... ;lol

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

I’m going to put it out there that it’s at an all time low right now.....



As for commenting like that on another clubs player, well DS has really done it again hasn’t he?

Before anyone questions the validity of what was said checkout Marshyboy26 tweets on Twitter, he was there and knows what was said

Of course you don’t have to believe it, you could just say it’s twitter, doesn’t count and dismiss it

;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Sully walked off and left Gold to answer questions, lovely.

I actually have way more respect for Mr Gold, Sully is the real problem in all this

Cuz1

Vote of no confidence from me ages ago and mean the lot of them

baracks_a_hammer

Tbf if someone had asked Gold about Shelvey, it would have confused him - “what, you mean that snooker player from Leicester??...”

Cuz1

Thing is twist you said it lining there own pockets they will have no guilt it’s a business first in my eyes and a chance to see a club he supports from a better seat, just sooner they be honest than lie to try appease us, thing is they won’t pull the cotton wool over my eyes again

TwistandShout

**original post was deleted for "swearing"**

Gold is the lesser of 2 evils, but i don't buy his 'innocent old man' front.
I believe he's a hammer but he knew exactly what he was doing by moving into the new stadium, benefiting himself and his own wealth. Stitching* the fans over at the same time. I just hope deep down he feels guilty about it.

grey_til_I_dye

Slizzy

Why do you hold our owners to a higher standard than our supporters?

Angry fans go shouting at them at the end of the game.

Sully engages with them.

Then what he says is used as another stick to beat him with.

Fans can do and say what they like, but the owners have to behave as if they were having tea with the Bishop of London?

He's flat denied the spin that 'we can't sign anyone' had anything to do with money.

As to Shelvey, imo he got that spot on.

If people choose to broadcast private conversations all over soshallow meejah, that's their business.

I hope, in future that Sully simply ignores any fans who try to talk to him.

That will be right, won't it?

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Twist I know someone who had a sit down with him fairly recently, he wasn’t particularly complimentary about the Sully sons, plus he said the LLDC had moved the goal posts on some of the things at the LS, trouble is, when you rent you’re not always in control, especially when you only pay 2.5m a year even though it seems like the deal of the century, it can harm you short term

claretandbluesky

I think they need employ some proper PR and offer some figures to the fans to attempt to win trust as that is what is sorely lacking at present. I am sure some brains brighter than mine could work it out from what is in freedom if information and club accounts but if they put together a report on the club site with figures easily understood it may help, or condemn them but at least there would be no guessing.

Financial fair play - How near or far are we from our limits before breaking these rules? Are we at the limit we can spend or the limit they are willing to invest?

What are our current revenue and outgoings etc, taking into account the sky money, wages, stadium hire etc.

Why as self confessed fans have they taken such high rates of interest from a club in debt?

Their issue is that they may soon find themselves public enemy number one and be hounded out if they do not begin to respect the need for better PR. I am not convinced they are the villains made out to be nor the good guy fans who are going to see us right. More information and sincere public statements which can be measured would help.


I am not sure I think Sully has been a victim of having a private conversation made public with the Shelvy comment as he actually says all that stuff on the record as well as Snodgrass and Fonte know all too well.

baracks_a_hammer

Sully should not have been drawn into any comment on shelvey at all. It is not acceptable IMO. He should have swerved the question when asked, or said “I cannot comment on players from other teams”. All it has done is to allow another toxic situation brew.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

He’s drawn comments on Fonte, Snodgrass, Shelvey, Austin.....

That is off the top of my head, the list is growing, the geezer has zero class imo

EXETERHAMMER

Said it before. Totally agree, lacks class.

Barney

The owners have their faults but they do try to engage with us and I believe they have the clubs best interest at heart. However they do not have the money that other owners have and face a lot of criticism because of it. Some 'fans' and so called reporters also like to twist what is said or put their own spin on it (or even make it up!!). Some will find every opportunity to have a dig at the owners whether they deserve it or not. Good to see them much quieter on transfers this time; personally I will judge their success at the end of the month, not by opinions of journalists or others who have a bias of some kind. We will all have our own opinions on the success or otherwise of the transfer window lets just have a constructive discussion and not keep knocking the owners at every opportunity; I suspect they will be here for a long time.

Cuz1

Barney agree with some parts but when you hear them make crass comments fans are going to react I’ve lost patience with them and want them out before they damage our club any further yes they did save us but at what cost end of for me

claretandbluesky

I think sadly one of the main problems is that they have lost all goodwill and trust from so many at present and this at times like yesterday prompts an almost irrational reaction. I am not sure if the anger expressed today at the board, and there is a lot of it, would have been so great had we won yesterday and it's that which I mean by irrational, because of a sense of betrayal for some and the way they communicate they become the target at any setback.

For me yesterdays result had little to do with the board, if that was our first team I would say certainly it does and they should hit the door now, but it was far from it, that team was played possibly due to Moyes wanting to focus on premiership survival (he is the manager, his call) and injuries, I think without the injuries he still wouldn't necessarily have played the big guns with Palace on Tuesday. What it wasn't due to however was the board not supplying a fit for purpose Premiership side. We had Adrian, Reid, Kouyate, Lanzini, Noble, Arnie, Carroll, Ayew and Antonio out and for me a team with them in beats Wigan 9 matches out of 10. Our team I feel is also the best stocked regard quality compared to all teams below us who are in this relegation scrap and so I wouldn't swap our players for any of those around us.

So we have a Premiership standard team in my view, but one that needs reinforcing for a battle to avoid relegation and that is their job, they have however just signed an on paper high quality player from Inter, do they need do more? yes, and if they do not sign any and it's because they were offered players we need but refused to meet prices or simply refused, then they are to blame, if however it's a case of we cannot do a deal because who we want doesn't want to come then that's how it is in January and we may have to ride our luck and hope Moyes can lead the troops like a leader should.

So this is why I think they are getting a hard ride at present, but that doesn't mean they don't have questions to answer. They mentioned next level I have heard stated many times but our previous two summers have left a lot, and then somewhat to be desired. Is that because you didn't make funds available? or is it FFP? what is your aim, is it to hope we can achieve success at current level of investment so you risk as little as possible of your money or do you anticipate gambling the money that will offer a chance of next level, and lets be clear it will be gambled as Premiership ownership is for people with deep pockets who don't mind losing at times. If you are not gambling with your own money why did we leave the Boleyn as the level at present was achievable there. Why are you taking such amounts of interest on your loans to the club?

So essentially I don't think they are as bad as being painted but I don't trust them either, I would like sincere communication and transparency with regard intention and figures and I feel this will help restore some goodwill which is lacking and causing them to be the target at every setback at present whether rational or not at times. There is disfunction in the relationship between the fans and the board and they need address that before it goes beyond repair.

Cuz1

c&b

I’d agree with that Moyes will have to work is magic now and then what happens next season is he going to want a contract with these clowns in charge even tho he probably needed us to build his reputation, then who would want to come with all the false promises a second rate manager who probably wouldn’t get a job elsewhere it’s a vicious circle for me

claretandbluesky

Cuz ,If he keeps us up, and I still think he will, but not by much I can't see his stock having risen beyond ourselves as no top 6 team will take a chance on him just because he keeps us up and outside the top 6 he is not going back to Everton so I think we will be his best bet. I am not personally sold on him yet but he has performed much better than I expected. For me he is doing well and looking very promising during this 6 month interview, but I am not quite sold just yet.

I hope the manager can have a good summer window as we should be able to move a few players on, drop some wages which if backed by the board properly will allow him to develop a squad of his own rather than the disjointed one we began this year with.

Cuz1

Backed by the board do you mean the 20 mil average over the last five seasons or so which means basically back to square one

IronHerb

Well Cuz, the board are terrible, the manager is second rate and the players useless. So what is it that attracts you to this Club? ;hmm

Cuz1

Didn’t say that about manager or players, didn’t want Moyes but he’s doing a good job and said in a earlier post we should give him a contract now for what he’s done, I said would he want to work for these clowns in charge, never slated all the players except them that don’t give 100%, hope that clears it up, as for what attracts me to this club well who knows but it’s been there 48 years

ASLEFshrugged

A bit late but I've just noticed that the squads of 25 were announced back at the start of the season we only named 22 players two of which were Doneil Henry and Moses Makasi?

Little wonder we're down to the bare bones as we were understaffed to begin with.

Eight years and 10 days into the S&G experiment........

alderz

The other day Guardiola was quoted as saying that City couldn't afford 22 top players. Now, I know that they have a different market to us for 'top' players, but I feel like this is important. If City claim they cannot afford 2 'top' players for each position, then why should we or anyone else expect squad depth?

The second link has their official squad. It has 18 players in it, plus their U21s that don't have to be registered (really, the ones that play are Gabriel Jesus, Leroy Sane, and (recently) Oleksandr Zinchenko).

The point here, is that if a club with the riches of Man City are operating with that number of players, then why would we expect to have more? I think it's easy to criticise the owners for a lack of depth but have a look at other squads. How many other clubs actually have 25 senior players registered? (I don't have time to look right now, but it's easy enough to find out if you wanted to)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/42843883

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-premier-league-squad-13563254

Pearces_Left_Foot

Maybe its to do with higher player wages and FFP meaning you can afford to have maybe 17-19 players on decent money and the rest are youth players if we are paying Hernandez 100K a week that means we have one less first team squad player and Hart 100K a week means another squad player less ;hmm

MrsGrey

alderz ;ok

Another factor, I think, is the HG requirement. City only have 3 HG players.

Any registered squad can include no more than 17 'foreign grown' players.

MrsGrey

How many other clubs actually have 25 senior players registered? (I don't have time to look right now, but it's easy enough to find out if you wanted to)

First 10.

Bournemouth 22
Arsenal 25 (but I think some are just making up the numbers...Macey? Iliev?
Brighton 25 (don't know who some of them are, so can't tell if kids)
Burnley 24
Chelsea 21 (including Remy??)
Palace 24
Everton 25
Huddersfield 22
Leicester 24
Liverpool 25

Not sure who some of them are... might be kids making up the numbers.
Maybe if anyone is interested, they could do a bit of the looking up

https://www.premierleague.com/news/465277

MrsGrey

11-20

Man U, Newcastle, Southampton, Swansea, Watford 25
Stoke 21
Spurs, WBA 20

Yeoldhammer

But thing is West Ham are using kids also to get our numbers up...

Yeoldhammer

1. Antonio, Michail Gregory*
2. Arnautovic, Marko
3. Ayew, Andre Morgan Rami
4. Byram, Samuel Mark*
5. Carroll, Andrew Thomas*
6. Collins, James Michael*
7. Cresswell, Aaron*
8. Fonte, Jose Miguel
9. Hart, Charles Joseph John*
10. Henry, Doneil Jor-Dee Ashley <--- gone
11. Hernandez Balcazar, Javier
12. Kouyate, Cheikhou
13. Lanzini, Manuel
14. Makasi, Kusu Moses* <--- making up numbers
15. Masuaku Kawela, Fuka-Arthur
16. Noble, Mark James*
17. Obiang Avomo, Pedro Mba
18. Ogbonna, Obinze Angelo
19. Reid, Winston Wiremu
20. Sakho, Diafra <--- gone
21. San Miguel Del Castillo, Adrian
22. Zabaleta Girod, Pablo Javier

Under-21 players (Contract and Scholars)

Adarkwa, Sean Jordan
Akinola, Olatunji Oluwasehun
Alese, Ajibola
Barrett, Mason
Belic, Kristijan
Browne, Marcus Alexander
Burke, Reece
Costa Da Rosa, Bernardo
Coventry, Conor
Cullen, Joshua Jon
Dalipi, Kevin
Diangana, Grady
El Mhassani, Anouar
Fernandes Ribeiro, Edimilson
Haksabanovic, Sead
Hamilton, Malyk
Hannam, Reece Phillip Peter
Hector-Ingram, Jahmal Justin
Henry, Korrey
Holland, Nathan Elliot
Johnson, Benjamin
Kemp, Daniel
Lewis, Alfie
Longelo Mbule, Emmanuel
Longelo-Mbule, Rosaire
Martinez Lopez, Antonio
Matrevics, Rihards
Miller, Ethan
Mingi, Jade Jay
Neufville, Vashon
Ngakia, Jeremy
Oxford, Reece Joel
Pask, Joshua David
Pike, Alexander George
Powell, Joe
Quina, Domingos
Rice, Declan
Samuelsen, Martin
Scully, Anthony Richard
Spyridis, Odysseas
Sylvestre, Noha
Trott, Nathan Wallace Newman
Watson, Louie Shaun
Wells, Ben