The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

Expat_Hammer

Maybe we'll get BFS back

;run

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

MrsGrey said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

I would welcome Rafa as a potential upgrade on Moyes, that being said imo this whole situation is a farce, we’ve not officially let Moyes go, there have been indications from him that his contract ended

Yes there have. Have you not read this thread?

Plus, I assume you saw that the Benitez tweet thing that Suz posted was a fake, and that Benitez has been quoted saying he's not in talks with anybody other than Newcastle?

I can only see grounds for calling it 'scattergun' if you believe all the rumours and gossip that are being touted ... and believe them in the face of actual direct contradiction from the mouths of some of the involved parties.

Also, can you explain the difference between 'scattergun' and 'exploring the options rather than taking the first person that expresses an interest'? ;hmm

Yes I have

Yes I know it was fake, and?

Imo they have a scattergun approach to most things, they don’t do decisive decisions well as Luke had previously posted

I’ll believe what I like and what I hear

Thanks

;ok

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

alderz said:

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

I would welcome Rafa as a potential upgrade on Moyes, that being said imo this whole situation is a farce, we’ve not officially let Moyes go, there have been indications from him that his contract ended even though it was widely reported to be 2.5 years with a 6 month break, but nobody has actually initiated the break. Moyes is still around and seemingly having to apply for his own job in essence after talks.

It was widely reported a few years ago that Parker was our captain and not Upson. Just because the media believe or say something doesn't mean it's true. In a lot of cases I would say yeah go with the common reporting, but if Moyes said his contract ended Sunday night then I can't imagine too many other people know better than what he's said.

All due respect Alderzzz the Parker/Upson thing was just lazy journalism driven by the factor Scotty appeared to lead us

With regards Moyes contract I had the same (above) confirmed by at least two well known sources

grey_til_I_dye

Slizzy

But it wasn't 'widely' reported, despite what you seem to remember, and Moyes' comments would lead you to think it wasn't the case.

sweepy23

I find it hard to fathom that anyone still believes our owners don’t bend the truth and that they have any sort of long term plan (apart from making a lot of money)

baracks_a_hammer

ClaretandBlueforLife said:

Fact is we have or had a decent manager in Moyes and given time he’ll do ok. There is no quick fix in football, never was, never will be.

Well for West Ham it seems there is no slow fix either?

Sam was here for 4 years. He was never accepted by a section at any time. Coupled with that at a time when he was really making progress, he was not supported by a signing or two that could have let us really kick on.

And then Slav - at a time he was really flying again not supported (eMinike etc)

And now Moyes - who knows who was behind the Jan signings, but the less said the better.

sweepy23

Someone on Twitter has just posted that DG was interviewed on SSN and said he hoped Moyes would stay.

Did anyone see this?

IronHerb

But DG has very little input imo.

Vorselaarhammer

;hmm

Gold on new manager: “As we speak David Moyes is on the list of managers and we'll be selecting one in due course. I'd like to think it was David Moyes, I really hope so.”

sweepy23

I really do believe Moyes rejected us and had laid down his demands and it’s for the club to meet them.

Good to hear that DG thinks he’s extremely professional.

baracks_a_hammer

I don’t understand why he needed to say anything at this point. Do they never learn? ;doh

Vorselaarhammer

And we have film...

https://mobile.twitter.com/westham_central/status/996489040995213312

MrsGrey

Vorse - I can get sound only. Anyone else see the video?

MrsGrey

sweepy23 said:

Someone on Twitter has just posted that DG was interviewed on SSN and said he hoped Moyes would stay.

Did anyone see this?

Based on hat Vorse posted, Gold didn't say he hoped Moyes would stay. He said he hoped it would be Moyes who was appointed.

(But he's on a shortlist, all of whom will be looked at.)

Ace of Clubs

Yes I can.

baracks_a_hammer

It’s basically pretty much the same thing though??...

MrsGrey

Not, imo. 'I hope he'll stay' implies it's all his choice.

'I hope he's appointed' means we have a set of criteria that he'll have to meet (and want to stay) before we'll appoint him.

Cuz1

I don’t believe they want Moyes enough or wouldn’t be looking elsewhere and if that’s the case why hasn’t Moyes said I’m off, maybe they both want to see what’s out there before committing ie Newcastle or Leicester could become available to Moyes and maybe he’d be interested in a project like that although I’d be wary of any team with proposed take over talks as they always seem to want to bring there own man in as Ashley did when sam was there even though he admitted last year it was a mistake

Cuz1

And having listened to gold on sky sports interview my interpretation is it’s Moyes who doesn’t want to commit and maybe looking at what’s out there for him making us do the same incase

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Good old Dave - Razzle Dazzle em ;lol

So our co-owner admits that we’re actively interviewing candidates.....right on cue!

chicagohammer

Is there any reason why Dm would not be interested in someone else, say.......Everton

Just a thought

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

How will the other candidates feel now that Gold has said that?

And this did make me laugh.....

David Gold telling sky sports news he hopes Moyes stays

Meanwhile the club is running unofficial polls on potential managers to gauge fans feelings, Moyes contract has expired, Brady is slagging off fans & Sullivan is interviewing other managers round his gaff.

West Ham United.

claretandbluesky

I think it's diplomatically delicate but understandable that likely neither party is looking at the other and thinking they have exactly what they want, and so it's quite acceptable for the club to make enquiries about other availability, just as if Moyes was being courted by other clubs we couldn't be offended if as a free agent he decided he wanted to speak to them first and get back to us.

I say it's delicate because in an ideal world we would like to convey our full confidence, as I am sure would he but the reality ( in my view) is that neither is convinced of the other fully enough to sincerely express that. So we end up with a bit of awkwardness whilst both sides weigh up options.

My hope is that both sides deal with this period professionally and just as importantly convey the same professionalism in any press statements. I have no doubt Moyes will, not quite so sure about us, but fingers crossed.

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

baracks_a_hammer said:

The good thing about all of this so far is that our owners have said absolutely nothing. After Sam they were saying things like appointing someone who had been there and done it in the major leagues (or something to that effect) and then failed to land their targets.

I’d be quite happy for them to continue to say nothing at all until a decision and appointment has been made

Barracks hate to be the one to tell you, but you may of spoken too soon ;biggrin

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard

Got to be honest Claret I’ve not seen anything like it before, not saying it hasn’t but I don’t recall a situation where

1) manager openly confessed his official
Contact has ended
2) he’s still waiting to speak to the owners
3) owners haven’t told him they don’t want him or do want him ( as far we know)
4) other candidates are being interviewed
5) one owner declares publicly that he wants said man at end of his contract to stay

;hmm

#Circus

Cuz1

chicagohammer said:

Is there any reason why Dm would not be interested in someone else, say.......Everton

Just a thought

Chicago, can see why he might be interested in Everton but if the rumours are right and kenwright goes as well as sam then I can’t see Everton being interested in Moyes again imo

chicagohammer

Cuz, I agree that I doubt if Everton would be seriously interested in DM, however, I do not doubt for an instant that DM would be interested in Everton.

OldCastleSwift

Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

How will the other candidates feel now that Gold has said that?

This is my frustration too. Gold wants Moyes (this is at least the second time he's publicly stated it), but Sullivan is playing the field. I don't know whether Fonseca, Benitez, Pellegrini et al would be bothered about that, given Gold is the junior partner, but it really doesn't help us in the professional stakes.

I would expect someone in Gold's position to field the questions with more professionalism and say we're going through an invterview process and will hire the man we think is best for West Ham United, and he nearly managed it, before unnecessarily throwing in the 'I hope it's David Moyes' bit right at then end.

Lukerz

Exactly.

So a company is hiring to fill a vacant position and, whilst going through the process, a key figure at the top, probably involved in the final decision, publicly states his preference to who he wants to get it, when there are more interviews to come.

SuzanneClaret

It’s happening at Everton to a certain degree.