The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

baracks_a_hammer

ASLEFshrugged said:

If Moyes goes who would replace him?

Can’t be that hard to find a manager who will give us a win percentage greater than 25%

BubblesNeverDies

Alderz,
"For a team that starts with 5 defenders and 4 midfielders in the lineup we are incapable of defending".
Is that down to coaching or players' abilities then?

buffybegood

I'm not saying this is the only reason, we we have to consider that a priority for the last 2 transfer windows was been a genuine DM. Slav highlighted it, we targeted Carvalho in the summer and Dendoncker in January, both seemingly willing to come if G&S had pulled their finger out, but Sully wouldn't pay up. This, added to the fact that we never spend any real money on defenders, (we had wingbacks whose ages totalled 70 don't forget, both on frees as nobody else wanted them), and is it any wonder we let in goals?

Moyes has not had much to work with, we already had a very thin squad at the start of the season, we have lost a number of players to lengthy injuries, and then the squad was weakened further in January. The board is definitely to blame for our current predicament imo, and my worry, as I stated earlier, is that if Moyes goes, who better would be prepared to come to us and work for G&S? Don't forget, we've had a negative net spend on permanant transfers over the last 3 windows, there should be upwards of £80 million in the transfer kitty, but we already know that's not going to get spent.

whupathman

The money will be spent, just not in the club, another Bentley maybe

ASLEFshrugged

we had wingbacks whose ages totalled 70

Not quite, Cresswell was playing on the left wing, Evra was on the left side of the back three. Other than that spot on ;ok

baracks_a_hammer said:

Can’t be that hard to find a manager who will give us a win percentage greater than 25%

I'm sure there are plenty of managers out there who could do a better job than Moyes, sadly I suspect they are unlikely to want to leave the clubs they're currently managing in order to sort out the mess S&G have created.

Hammerex

If anybody saw M O T D last night, the guys in the studio were slagging
the Hammers commitment, and rightly so. O.K. I didn't expect us to win
against probably the best side in Europe, but there was no tackles, no
effort when they lost the ball, or to get back, it was a pathetic performance
considering our position being in a relegation dog fight.
It's easy to slag Moyes off, but what about the commitment, and effort
from the players wearing the claret and blue shirts, because I saw very
little.Where was the fight, the passion, no effort, in fact I would say that was probably the worst performance I have ever seen, and I have seen quite a lot,
over all these years.
We need to win one more match to avoid relegation, but after yesterdays
debacle, I am deeply concerned that we will not be able to succeed in our
quest to survive relegation.

thornburyiron

I watched the Liverpool Stoke game Saturday and the Stoke players gave 100% in effort and commitment for 100% of the game. Shawcross ran himself into the ground setting an example from the off.
Contrast that with our performance and the majority of them, Arnie was a big exception, barely seemed able to get out of first gear. We had no leader on the pitch ensuring that they at least played to the best of their abilities, which granted is like watching old amateurs compared to City, nor trying to rally them.
Regardless of who the manager is if they're not committed fully once the whistle goes then the inevitable happens. Our midfield and defenders appear to just jog back although that may be their flat out speed whilst Noble seems to trot from one side of the pitch to the other without a great deal of intent most of the time.

IronHerb

But thorn, Nobes stats are great!

ASLEFshrugged

I was watching Noble yesterday, he moves towards whoever has the ball and makes himself available for a pass if nothing better presents itself. That's why he makes more passes than anyone else almost every game.

thornburyiron

True Aslef but if he showed more intensity rather than jogging it may galvanise the others. Just read on the OS that they sat in the dressing room after the game and said there was nothing they could have done to avoid what happened. There was a lot they could have done to avoid it happening how it happened.
I think they were always going to get beaten but let it be by brilliant football which we can't do anything about but we contribute so much to our own downfall.

Moojor

I'm all for getting shot of him, the whole team and the owners.

ASLEFshrugged

Moojor said:

I'm all for getting shot of him, the whole team and the owners.

Well we're not going to get shot of the owners unless someone makes them an offer they cannot possibly turn down and right now I don't see queues of billionaires wanting to buy the club.

We could get rid of the whole squad apart from the kids just like Leyton Orient did at the end of last season, they were close to being relegated from the Conference before Christmas but managed to turn it around. I'm not sure we'd be able to do the same in the Premier League, more likely we'd beat Derby County's record for the least points in a season

Moojor

ASLEFshrugged said:

Moojor said:

I'm all for getting shot of him, the whole team and the owners.

Well we're not going to get shot of the owners unless someone makes them an offer they cannot possibly turn down and right now I don't see queues of billionaires wanting to buy the club.

We could get rid of the whole squad apart from the kids just like Leyton Orient did at the end of last season, they were close to being relegated from the Conference before Christmas but managed to turn it around. I'm not sure we'd be able to do the same in the Premier League, more likely we'd beat Derby County's record for the least points in a season

I personally would have no problem dropping out of the PL, never to return. I hate the league and the whole culture of "needing" to spend hundreds of millions just to stay even remotely competitive.

Pearces_Left_Foot

I want it all to go away until next season can't wait for it to be over I feel like hibernating all summer and hopes its all turns out OK

ASLEFshrugged

Moojor said:

I personally would have no problem dropping out of the PL, never to return. I hate the league and the whole culture of "needing" to spend hundreds of millions just to stay even remotely competitive.

From talking to the many Leyton Orient supporters that inhabit my local the problem with lower league football seems to be that any half decent player will eventually leave for a bigger club, you get an endless stream of kids on loan who go back to their parent club after one season plus you'd be seeing a lot more Zabalettas and Evras at the end of their careers.

And of course we'd still be playing at the Olympic Stadium, half full if we're lucky.

Giant_Hammer

Pearces, yes and I remember last season many of us were saying the same thing so it seems that nothing ever changes at our club.

Moojor, the two only two seasons of recent times that I can remember enjoying was the one when we were in the Championship and the Payet season a couple of years ago.

Both of those I always thought we were in with a chance of winning a match or at the very least putting in a decent performance. I just don't have that feeling with these players at the moment. What's worse is that even if we do survive I can't see it changing with the present set up and as ASLEF says that ain't going to change for the better any time soon. ;puzzled

Yeoldhammer

West Ham need to be in the PL.

But they need a squad worthy of the PL and a manager worthy of the PL and owners who want to be at the top of the PL

None are worthy at the moment. If we stay up its by virtue of others being bad not West Ham being good.

Eddie Howe - get him in
Spend 100 million - make a commitment
Move along the sick notes and the pensioners in the squad - make it happen

It can be done.

IronHerb

No, if we stay up its because we were better than those who didn't.
Anyway, we are not going down. COYI

alderz

BubblesNeverDies said:

Alderz,
"For a team that starts with 5 defenders and 4 midfielders in the lineup we are incapable of defending".
Is that down to coaching or players' abilities then?

I would question the players ability to defend, but I would question the managers a) ability to organise them better and b) decision making in consistently picking the same approach.

We have the worst defence in the league. Why do we think that relying on it is the way to get points? Whenever we have our attacking players on the pitch and have a go at teams we look threatening. Yeah, that leaves us open at the back, but it's not like we are shutting teams out when we go safety first.

ASLEFshrugged

Why would Eddie Howe want the job? What could we possibly offer him that would be an improvement on what he's got at Bournemouth, the team he spent most of his playing career and almost all of his managerial career at?

TheMadcapLaughs

A week or two ago I said I`d be happy for Moyes to carry on next season and that basically our squad was sound and we only needed three or four top notch players for next year. I`d like to retract that statement. We are pitiful. I`m not sure if my wife had been slipping "happy pills" into my tea and has now run out, but any positivity I felt then has well and truly evaporated. The club is rotten from top to bottom. Football should be about passion and entertainment. I have felt very little of either, the players feel even less. I used to be gutted if we lost and felt physically and emotionally lifted if we won, even in the days of teletext, just seeing a positive scoreline at 4.45pm was enough. I`m not sure what this means, but it seems to have slipped into the vernacular in recent times, West Ham leaves me meh (?!) MEH!. Whatever the question, Moyes isn`t the answer, too negative, although our squad is tripe, absolute tripe. Gold, Sullivan and Brady are charlatans, and The Premier League is a two tier nonsense. In some twisted pleasure/pain way I hope we get relegated, I really do. I will find it mildly amusing, and being mildly amused is a whole step up from the angst and frustration of following us in The Premier League. In fact I`m going to raise a glass to being mildly amused ;champagne

grey_til_I_dye

Sometimes with managers it is horses for courses. Howe certainly didn't pull up any trees when he went to Burnley, and there's no guarantee he would do well with us.

His PL net spend over the last 5 years is just £15m less than ours.

In recent seasons particularly, he has had money to spend:

£20m for Ake, £15m for Ibe, £10m for Begovic, £7m for Lewis Cook, £10m for Afobe, £8m for Mings.

For me, Howe gets a really easy ride. He hasn't managed Bournemouth on a shoe-string (and certainly not for the last few seasons), he hasn't got them playing like Barcelona, and they have been around the relegation spots for most of the season.

But let's get him; he's a media darling, so that will be all right.

Vorselaarhammer

BFS is doing a great job at Everton...

Lets go after him...

Fortuneseeker

Madcap,

I can concur with most of what you said apart from the relegation bit. ;ok

TheMadcapLaughs

Vorse. Mr Allardyce looks quite progressive at the minute with his 19th century football.

Cuz1

Sitting pretty at eighth safe already how I’d love to be like that, what’s that you saying we could have been never, that’s progress lol

PrestonHammer

Brendan Rodgers has already stated he isn't interested in leaving Celtic for Arsenal, so there is absolutely no chance he would leave them for us.

IronHerb

I thought Brenda said that he was 'very happy' at Celtic.

Vorselaarhammer

A fantasy maybe but the guy who is leaving PSG could be an option.

He may want to prove himself in England and I don't think he has done such a job at PSG that the top 6 would want him...

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

I’ve lost faith in Moyes, but I am concerned about who else the board would go for if Moyes leaves, and concerned about the calibre or manager we will be able to attract after the last two seasons.

I just don’t know anymore. It’s pretty rare for a manager to leave a club where he’s doing well unless it’s a BIG step up, so I think we can forget the likes of Benitez, Howe etc.

Wish we’d go for Bielsa, to be honest, though whether he’d have any interest is hugely doubtful. But we’d be much more watchable and passionate and energetic in our play.