The new manager hunt (was the Moyes thread) only 3 days to wait...

Hammerex

Madcap, you say " I'm also hoping Carroll stays fit for the season "
I don't think he has stayed fit for a season at any club.
Newcastle got rid of him when Liverpool bought him, what they thought was
a bargain buy, and then we did just the same when Liverpool decided to
cut there losses, and just like Liverpool we made the same mistake.
Don't get me wrong, Carroll is a beast of a player, when he is fit, and there
lies the problem. Taking in all the games since we bought him, I hate to think how much per game it has cost us.

OutcastLondoner

thornburyiron said:

To say for Arnie to score balls into the box have to be perfect is wrong imo. Most of his goals have come from his being able to make something out of a half chance. Last night he couldn't do it but I don't think Chico would have done any better with the chances we did create last night.

Not every time but yesterday it wasn't working. It wasn't about Hernandez or Arnie but having more than one option to aim for. As Cresswell sends it in, Arnie has two players watching his run, which creates the space for AC to get the volley in. If Moyes makes that decision earlier, perhaps we could've converted some of that pressure we'd built into a goal before going behind. We can't know that's the case but we do know nothing was changing until we had more players on and Arnie wasn't left to do it all.

TheMadcapLaughs

Hammerex, I`m more living in hope. If there are footballing Gods, I hope they`re looking down and thinking "That boys got talent, he works hard, he seems a nice ordinary lad, likes a bit of a party (but who doesn`t ;champagne ) let`s give him one injury free season, just to see what he can really do"......... you never know. ;footie

Hammerex

Hopefully, I agree with that Madcap, and then sell him A.S.A.P.

jay_in_cpt

I'm hoping by hook or crook we are in the PL next season, do I think Moyes should stay if we do survive , for me it's a big ;wave & ;clap but that's it's for me.

grey_til_I_dye

I'm strongly resistant to managerial change for the sake of it, and I think getting shot of Moyes would be a big mistake.

I think with a pre-season to sort us out and a few choice signings, he would move us on from where we were this year.

Separately, I think it is a poor time to change managers, given that it is a World Cup year, and the summer window closes earlier than previously.

If we struggled to get a new guy in (and that is entirely possible), then there would be a good chance we would miss out on key signings.

If we ship managers every time we think we haven't had a brilliant season, or because the football they play isn't 'sexy' enough, we will be changing every one or two years, at a minimum, imo, and that can't be any good for the long term stability of the team.

Can we do better than Moyes? Maybe, if the imagined candidates were actually available.

Could we do worse? Definitely, imo.

ClaretandBlueforLife

Although i’m not sure about Moyes I think he should be given another season at least with a chance to bring in new players in the summer.

baracks_a_hammer

Just my opinion but any manager who may potentially leave us with a sub 40 points total littered with quite a few indifferent displays and a win percentage in the 20s should not be a shoe in to be kept on. I’d prefer there to be proper assessment of who else is around at the very least.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Barracks you could be describing bilic last season

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Yea and he got sacked

Honestly im not confident with my knowledge of managers outside of the premier league

However i fail to believe their is no one...even if it is a risk

Moyes is a safe choice i guess....but im not a huge fan from what ive seen so far

But i wouldnt riot if he got a contract

Fortuneseeker

If it comes down to a choice between keeping Mr Moyes or Javier I know who I would want to stay. ;wink

Danny Gabbidon said on the radio this morning he believes we (the fans) want a more expansive style of football that our current manager won't give us, so he expects him to be gone in the summer.

grey_til_I_dye

For me, a 'risky' appointment would only be worth a go from a position of strength. If we had a couple or 3 seasons around 10th, with a fairly settled squad, and thought a change might work, fair enough. But I don't think a gamble now would make sense.

Imo, what we desperately need is a period of stability, and I think Moyes would provide that, at the very least. (i think he would do quite a bit better, tbh.)

MrsGrey

Fortuneseeker said:

Danny Gabbidon said on the radio this morning he believes we (the fans) want a more expansive style of football that our current manager won't give us, so he expects him to be gone in the summer.

Does he make this prediction on the basis that Moyes won't sign on to play expansive football? Or that the Board will only appoint a manager that will play expansive football? Or some other basis?

tbh, I can't think that what 'the fans' (whoever they might be .. the 'real ones' perhaps ;wink ) want will influence the decisions made at the highest level.

I like Danny Gabbidon, but it's a bit of a nonsense statement. As if all fans of every club wouldn't want to see their team play expansive football.

Lukerz

Moyes' record so far:

Wins:
West Ham 1-0 Chelsea
Stoke 0-3 West Ham
West Ham 2-1 WBA
Huddersfield 1-4 West Ham
West Ham 2-0 Watford
West Ham 3-0 Southampton

Draws:
West Ham 1-1 Leicester
West Ham 0-0 Arsenal
Bournemouth 3-3 West Ham
Spurs 1-1 West Ham
West Ham 1-1 Bournemouth
West Ham 1-1 Crystal Palace
Chelsea 1-1 West Ham
West Ham 1-1 Stoke

Defeats:
Watford 2-0 West Ham
Everton 4-0 West Ham
Man City 2-1 West Ham
West Ham 2-3 Newcastle
Brighton 3-1 West Ham
Liverpool 4-1 West Ham
Swansea 4-1 West Ham
West Ham 0-3 Burnley

26 points from 22 games. GD of -6. 30 goals scored.

Just to put that into perspective, after 22 games this season Watford were sat in 10th place in the league on 25 points, with Everton in 9th on 27 points. So that's a points to games ratio which would put you around 10th (this season, anyway).

What I would say is when we lose, we tend to LOSE. In all 8 defeats under Moyes we have conceded at least 2 goals in every one, and lost four of those matches by at least a 3 goal margin. We do tend to be strong at home, with only two home defeats. Also, of our 6 victories, 3 were against the current bottom three.

Fortuneseeker

Mrs G,

In general fans are happy with winning football which you do by scoring more goals than the opposition quite a few people are criticising David Moyes for not putting a team out last night to win the match by playing two strikers, something he has not done alot of this season. ;ok

MrsGrey

I don't think not playing 2 strikers means you aren't trying to win the match.

So I don't accept the premise of the criticism.

Fortuneseeker

Mrs G,

Best find them and have it out with them then. ;whistle

MrsGrey

Can I not just ignore them?

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Not playing 2 strikers is negative to me

And if you are gonna go with 1 up too you have to support them with attacking player

While Mario and Fernandes are good players they arent really attacking midfielders

Away from home fair enough but not at Home

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Guardiola only plays one striker at home. As does Mourinho. And Conte. And Pochettino. And Wenger. And pretty much everybody else.

Cuz1

Big sam played none at spurs and what a result that turned out to be, just saying

IronHerb

But we play a converted midfielder.

MrsGrey

That's a separate issue.


I'm pretty sure WHU_Champo et al are taking issue with how many people we play as strikers.

grey_til_I_dye

If Mario isn't an attacking MF then I don't understand the definition.

This is Mario's touch map from the game:

Adam

Is that one of those say what you see pictures that therapists use? I see a starfish fighting a bunny rabbit. ;hmm

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

Guardiola only plays one striker at home. As does Mourinho. And Conte. And Pochettino. And Wenger. And pretty much everybody else.

If you read my post i regard you have to support trm with enough attacking players

Chelsea attack with a front 3, all of whom are attacking players...hazard Morata Willian

Tottenham attack with a front 4, Kane, Erikson, Son and Alli

Mourinho is being slated depsite finishing 2nd because of the lack of creative flair

Arsenal attack with a front 3 at minimum

Guardiola has a front 3 plus the best midfield in the league

Also the comparison is a moot point as unlike those teams we cannot affort the quality that they can. Also those teams usually make proactive subs when the are in need of a poiny

Grey my point was misinterpreted
Yes Mario play in an advance position as he was supposed to do in this team, but he isnt an attacking player by design, more of a CM that has been asked to play there. Even at Sporting inter (and for portugal) etc his goalscoring is poor for an "attacking player"

If we had Antonio or Lanzini supporting Arnie I wouldnt mind but it was Mario and Fernandes (who 100% is a natural CM)

Also if you read my comments i also said that Javier didnt have to start but the lack of proactivity has annoyed me

MrsGrey

It seems to me, Moyes had a gameplan which was working. We dominated possession and attacking areas, had many chances to score. We scored 2 of them (subsequently disallowed).

I do get that you are talking about changing the formation and making subs, to score goals.

I can see why it might be thought wise NOT to change the formation .. it weren't broke so (arguably) didn't need fixing.


(Not saying I agree or disagree with his choices, just that I can see very good reasons why he made the decisions he did. I think to ignore the potential risk from making the changes so many are arguing in favour of is not arguing fairly.)

WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years

I can understand his reasons as well, I get the idea that he thought we were doing well enough

I just do not agree with them because personally I felt the performance was ok but we were lacking and given the team we were playing against I wasn't a fan

Would be surprised if we leave it right up untill June for a decision to be made as scouting and transfers will be underway then, you'd imagine the board will have made up their mind as there is no point buying players for a manager that isn't going to be there.

Whether it's Moyes or not, hope the decision is swift as pre season needs to be better than last years especially as the window closes before the first game

Pearces_Left_Foot

If we are getting a director of football we need to get them in sharpish aswell I don't think we can afford another poor transfer window

BubblesNeverDies

A big factor (imo) that we ought to remember is that we had to play the first 3 games of the season away, suffering 2 heavy defeats conceding 10 goals and scoring 2. Can't have done our confidence much good.