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For me it should have been a lesson for the politicians in playing politics with the national interest, but instead of learning that lesson May has gone for more game playing rather than less. The public have been mislead in believing we can retain benefits and regain control (cherry picking). Our arrogance really does need rewarding in my view.
If looking at the situation pragmatically there is a common sense approach which May is trying to make more difficult by the day through being entirely unprofessional, and Davies has now joined in by suggesting the UK is being bullied because we are not being deferred to and our weakness is being called out. However if we can build a healthy relationship at the start of these negotiations the first deal should be to work out how big our commitments are to the EU budgets which will be this big bill we hear about. If for example this stretches to 2022 we should then agree that we will remain in the EU until then and continue paying our obligations whilst using the time to facilitate an orderly withdrawal. We should be able to have thrashed out a trade deal during this time, prevented the EU budget being underfunded and for all involved the shock to the system will be less.
The sticking point is this almost arbitrary two year issue of article 50, so in my view the first thing is agree a more realistic term and have the 27 vote and agree on this and then get to work sensibly.
As for May she needs drop her belief that keeping the right wing press onside should be her top priority, she needs speak to us properly and the EU properly. It's not weak to speak to the nation about how complex the issue is and manage expectation reasonably, it's leadership.
But Adme this is no different from your earlier statement regarding Remainers who didn't vote because they thought Remain would win. Here you didn't vote because no one put themselves forward as an Independent, surely something you could have done yourself if you felt so strongly? Why would you vote for someone who has been forced onto the ballot?
IH - No its not - there was a choice they could have voted for if they had gone to vote, whereas I went to vote and there was no one for me to vote for. There was very little information around from any of the parties (apart form the Conservatives who did a leaflet drop), I only found out there were only the three when I got the ballot paper, otherwise I would have been asking questions long before the vote.
So who should I have voted for then Mrs G? I don't believe in protest voting, you should always vote for whoever represents your views closest - in this case it was none of the above. For me this is one of the current problems in politics that needs to be stopped, to have an agreement with another party to not field a candidate in the hope the other parties candidate gets enough to stop someone else being voted in is wrong and tantermount to vote rigging, particularly the big parties. I accept that smaller ones don't have the reasources and might only target seats they have a chance in, but the bigger ones (paticularly Labour/Lib Dems)?
What is progressive about not giving people a choice and trying to fix a vote?
Being a councillor is a lot of work, its not just turning up for council meetings once a week and holding "surgery" sessions once a month. I used to know a Liberal councillor in Redbridge back in the 80s (before they became Lib Dems), after he was elected I hardly saw him as when he wasn't working his day job he was busy with council business.
Criminal charges have been brought against the Tory MP for Thanet South, his election agent and a party organiser.
(The trial is scheduled for July, after the election. Goodness knows what the ramifications will be if he gets re-elected, and is subsequently found guilty.)
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-kent-40129826
From what I can see the polls are turning in favour of Labour as I always thought they would. The Labour parties campaign is on the march and the mood in the camp is confident compared to the Conservatives who over Social Care & School meals really seemed to have shot themselves in the foot. I predict Corbyn & Labour will win next Thursday, quite a turn around from their postition a few weeks back.
I walked past the newspapers ( I use the term broadly ) and all right wing papers were really rattled as they were going for the jugular of Corbyn with their usual lies.
The state of political discussion is terrible and I can only feel it leaves us currently in political mess we are. The papers are biased beyond acceptability in which opinion is presented as fact and facts are false. The biggest interrogators are Paxman and Andrew Neil who both looked ridiculous this week, lacking the ability to interrogate with intelligence and subtlety.
As for my hopes....... anyone but May.
In my view she has been found out, cannot tolerate being questioned, panics under pressure and even if she wins she has been exposed to even her own party.
But like my dreams ...
Tories 'fake' (by editing) a series of statements they say Corbyn made. And in fact they are contrary to what he actually said.
Then, because party political broadcasts etc are regulated by Ofcom, which would outlaw this sort of thing, they don't put it out via mainstream broadcasters. Oh no. They put it out via Facebook, which is unregulated. And doesn't care if an ad is just a lie. So basically, the Tory campaign has made up some lies, and then put them out in a way that will escape scrutiny (because they know they are lies, but know that if it's 'on Facebook', a whole bunch of people will accept it as fact without engaging their critical faculties or checking it against other sources). ;angry ;angry ;angry
How insulting is that, to Tory voters?????
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jun/02/labour-accuses-tories-of-fake-news-over-video-of-corbyn-ira-comments
Kudos to you for making the effort to be active in this. ;bowdown
I cant help notice that the tories have suddenly began to speak of the difficult times ahead due to leaving the EU and how the economy has to be placed at the forefront of policy. I thought this leaving the EU was not perilous at all, but instead a brilliant opportunity. It seems now almost taken as fact that we will all be worse off and need tighten our belts. No one seems to think we will be better off now and even resigned to needing immigration levels to remain high just to function.
Unfortunately I think we get the future we as a nation deserve.
I thought the leader did well in the TV debate, their policies are in line with my own.
If I was aloud to vote I think it maybe yellow is colour....
We don't like over confidence, I am hoping it will bite her on the behind...
I was too young to vote or even really understand politics when Maggie came around but I think I now know how so many felt repulsed by her, and May is only Maggie light.
Even though he has been clear that under a Labour government troops they would only be sent into combat abroad if
- they were properly resourced
- there was a clear need for military intervention and
- there was a plan for lasting peace afterwards.
Which hasn't been the case under past Tory OR Nu-Labour governments?
Always voting Labour though. You can have mine ;ok
Come back to the
darkred side.I live in Leyton and Wanstead where Labour have a 15000 majority with the Tories in second. I'll be voting Labour as I've done in every election since 1979
My best mate lives in Colchester which the Lib Dems lost to the Tories last time, Labour have been a distant third in every election since 1997. He supports Labour but will vote Lib Dem because they have a realistic chance of beating the Tories. In his case a vote for Labour could help the Tories.
My optimism is based on what I see. Labour's campaign has momentum, Corbyn as the campaign has gone on is looking more assured and relaxed, which I think comes from the positivity from the voters he's met, he's enjoying every minute. The Tories on the other hand look like they are staring defeat in the face, which in effect they are, about to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. They have run a very poor campaign from the start with May looking uncomfortable at every appearance, she looks lacking in confidence and belief. That is why I believe we will have a Labour Government on Friday.
Either way it will be a great achievement by Corbyn who has been demonised by the right wing media since he was elected leader (and before that) so I think to bring Labour up to the levels shown in the polls is a great achievement from being consistently written off and who knows he could just win it outright as I think he will.
What has surprised me was the high number who have registered to vote by the 22nd May deadline. Assuming a large number of those are young I think the chances are this will benefit Labour the most. I just get the feeling from news reports (regardless of what they are saying, and I note Daily Mail are giving Corbyn a tough time today over the nuclear stuff) that Labour are on the up in this campaign at just the right time and will do it, remember they said Trump would never this, that, the other and look what happened there...President Trump when everyone and his wife said it was nailed on Hilary Clinton so the seemingly impossible can and does happen.
The other issue if the tories win is that without doubt in my mind May has been exposed and her own party will get rid of her and so I wonder who will end up as leader should she resign through some made up health issue (get pushed out).
Have never wanted a party to be removed from power as much as I do now, May represents everything I cannot abide, only Boris would I dislike more.