Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

MrsGrey

;angry

Laurasupababe

Lord Rothermere ;devil ;angry

ASLEFshrugged

Mrs G - just seen the Daily Mail front page on the Gruaniad website, to be honest I don't expect anything else from that pathetic rag, not fit even for bog paper.....

IronHerb

I'm not sure what you would expect it to say. ;hmm

MrsGrey

Maybe they could have given the reasons why people should vote Tory, rather than smearing, lying and mud-slinging directed at the opposition?

Just a thought.

Although, knowing its record, I expect nothing other than gutter journalism.

IronHerb

There you go then. You got what you, and most of us, expected.

claretandbluesky

Unfortunately a populous that allows papers such as the Daily Mail, The Sun and the Express to subvert democracy with propaganda deserves all it gets.

The two big issues within our current model is that we actually even believe in democracy without recognising it's reliance upon information dissemination which provides a fatal flaw in the idea itself and that we call our press free and have never designated all news outlets as propaganda machines working towards specific agendas of their operators. If we do this at least we are being honest instead of imagining democracy and the way we do it being some unquestionable way of producing ' the will of the people', should read the 'will of the information providers.

If Corbyn pulls it off tomorrow and even denies them a majority it will be the biggest political performance of my lifetime as never has any politician had so much go against him and remained standing and winning. I don't make him my ideal candidate by a long shot as I am a far more centre leaning voter but he is our only hope tomorrow and he has given it all he could.

JC saves!

MrsGrey

IronHerb said:

There you go then. You got what you, and most of us, expected.

Depressing, init.

Yeoldhammer

Corbyn isn't winning anything and won't even get close. Conservatives will extend their majority quite comfortably. A lot of social media guff has propelled him which rarely translates into actual votes.

The majority of the British public is stupid hence the Sun and other trash is still around and not out of business.

IronHerb

Init just.

horshamhammer

Still undecided for tomorrow. Both May and Corbyn are dreadful. Might have to spoil my ballot paper...

Yeoldhammer

spoiling mine. just going to write "Too much Jive Talking" over the ballot.

IronHerb

That'll show em.

MrsGrey

horshamhammer said:

Still undecided for tomorrow. Both May and Corbyn are dreadful. Might have to spoil my ballot paper...

Maybe ignore the personalities and look at the party's policies, which should be what they will work to even if the respective leaders don't last.

Barney

It is time we got the politicians to stand up and give a full presentation on their policies and costings then explain where the money is coming from. I am fed up with newspapers and interviews getting politicians to criticise other parties. Lets see them stand up and present without reference to other parties and perhaps have an independent body to verify the numbers (if there is such a thing as totally independent). Time to treat the public as grown ups and stop the lies damn lies and statistics.
I have had to decide who I dont want in power rather than who I do and will vote accordingly. Corbyn is an absolute no for me.
we need new leaders for both major parties.

ASLEFshrugged

horshamhammer said:

Still undecided for tomorrow. Both May and Corbyn are dreadful. Might have to spoil my ballot paper...

It won't make much difference what you do, Horsham has been a Tory seat since 1880, the only time they got less than 50% was in the 60s, it currently ranks as the 41st safest Tory seat.

Jeremy Quinn got 57.3% in 2015, Labour got 11.4%, Lib Dems 11.7%

You could vote for the Peace Party or Something New, both have candidates in Horsham

Vorselaarhammer

If you dont know who to vote for can you pick Lib Dems for me.....

ASLEFshrugged

Barney said:

It is time we got the politicians to stand up and give a full presentation on their policies and costings then explain where the money is coming from. I am fed up with newspapers and interviews getting politicians to criticise other parties. Lets see them stand up and present without reference to other parties and perhaps have an independent body to verify the numbers (if there is such a thing as totally independent). Time to treat the public as grown ups and stop the lies damn lies and statistics.
I have had to decide who I dont want in power rather than who I do and will vote accordingly. Corbyn is an absolute no for me.
we need new leaders for both major parties.

Unless you live in Islington North or Maidenhead you won't be voting for either.

And as was illustrated with Cameron party leaders/Prime Ministers can be changed between General Elections

ASLEFshrugged

Just a thought but if Corbyn does end up as Prime Minister who's going to tend his allotment? Will he have a security detail surrounding him while he digs up his spuds?

horshamhammer

ASLEFshrugged said:

It won't make much difference what you do, Horsham has been a Tory seat since 1880, the only time they got less than 50% was in the 60s, it currently ranks as the 41st safest Tory seat.

Jeremy Quinn got 57.3% in 2015, Labour got 11.4%, Lib Dems 11.7%

You could vote for the Peace Party or Something New, both have candidates in Horsham

This is very true. FPTP really is an antiquated system.

Jim Duggan of the Peace Party has been running here for as long as I can remember, maybe I'll reward that loyalty.

EXETERHAMMER

I will vote tomorrow, but this is the first time I have considered not voting.

If labour could fulfill their promises I would be voting for them without doubt, but I just cannot believe that the 'hope' they are offering can come true.

Mrs May is making a pigs ear of it. Strong and stable but doesn't listen.

Lib Dems - Tim farron, too wet.

UKIP - no thanks, no way.

Green - a consideration, but won't make a difference in my constituency.


;hmm

SuzanneClaret

Labour for me, we have a very good labour MP and I'd like to see him re-elected.

MrsGrey

Exeter, based on your comment, surely you have to vote Labour. If you don't, the Tories might win. If you do, Labour might win and might get most of what you hope for. Gotta be worth a try. What's the alternative? Use your vote!!

EXETERHAMMER

I am seriously thinking it through Mrs Grey. I will vote, but it may come down to a gut feeling when I am about to put my cross on my ballot paper tomorrow.

ASLEFshrugged

Exeter used to be a Tory seat until 1997, Ben Bradshaw has been there ever since and the closest the Tories got to winning it back was 2010, cutting the majority to 2721. Its number 60 on the Tory hitlist so if they do win it then Theresa will be a very happy bunny.

MrsGrey

;nonono

See, Exeter. You are a very important voter!

#May(k)TheresaSad

(Could we get it trending ;biggrin )

PS don't vote Green, you'll split the progressive vote ;whome

EXETERHAMMER

I do not live in Exeter any more. Ben Bradshaw I am sure will again keep his seat irrespective of me not living there!

I am now living in Cornwall (south east) , and work in North Cornwall- all Conservative. I think my vote would need to be Lib Dem rather than Labour to keep the Tories out.

Vorselaarhammer

In other news.....

Killing of five bald men in Mozambique is linked to a new superstitious belief that bald men have gold in their head bbc.in/2s55PTc

IronHerb

In which case I'm loaded.....

IronHerb

ASLEF, do you have a Swing-O-Meter in your front room? ;biggrin