Don't understand why you can't show us a picture of your bookmark?
However, in the absence of any evidence, I haven't changed my view on 'pencilgate'.
It's a baseless conspiracy theory.
Having said that, for anyone who believes such a fraudulent scheme is plausible, can you be sure that LEAVE didn't carry out such a fraud?
My friends, sisters brothers half uncle claims that it was actually leave campaigners with remain placards handing out pencils and telling people to bring their voting slips back to them to hand in.
The Electoral Commissions report "An Evaluation of Electoral Administration at the EU Referendum" interviewed polling station staff on how things went. Under the section "Polling Day" it states
66. There was some evidence of inappropriate behaviour or intimidation at polling stations by campaigners in the survey, with a third of respondents suggesting that there was a challenge of some degree.
Qualitative comments described how this could include displaying campaign posters, or handing out leaflets close to polling stations. It is important to note that this is often a matter of differences in perception, with what campaigners may see as legitimate campaign efforts seen differently by voters.
Yet, in some instances cars were parked outside polling stations containing the campaign material. One CO said that they had ‘several instances of tellers having to be moved on due to their intimidation of the electorate.’ In another counting area:
We had one incident where a supporter of the exit campaign parked a car and the individual used a speaker to hail abuse at voters entering one polling station at [Location given]. Due to the attitude of the individual campaigning for exit Polling staff were advised to ring the Police but the incident passed before the Police arrived and it was not repeated.
Some COs reported, however, that the actions were often ‘”new” [campaigners] and were not familiar with the 'do's and don'ts'.’
67. When the affiliation of the agents involved in problems was cited by COs, they were all identified as leave campaigners.
So no reports from the staff of any Remain "agents" acting inappropriately at or near polling stations.
As in the instance we are discussing the police were called and talked to the "agents" distributing leaflets then its fair to assume that the incident would have been recorded.
The only issue I've been able to find over pro-Remain leaflets were those sent out with postal ballots by Bristol City Council. The Leave campaign objected to them, the Electoral Commission upheld the complaint and the remaining (no pun intended) leaflets were pulped.
The police was called and some them had helpthe police with there inquires,,,I was told it’s Civil matter not criminal matter
If there's been nothing done since May 2016 then its highly unlikely its still a police matter any more.
Don't understand how it could be a civil matter as that would be someone suing someone else for damages so nothing to do with the police. If they were breaking the laws covering elections then that's criminal and it would have been a police matter.
I thought is criminal matter,,, unless it is part of some else that’s on going
Image, I'm not sure that helps to prove your point earlier about remainers trying to get people to use a pencil?
Based on the fact it states that pencils are made available within all polling stations to be used.
So of course it's not a one off, every single polling station in the country has pencils for people to make their ballot paper for the reasons that it states in that article.
image - I am aware of the many conspiracies around pencils, in connection with the referendum. That was never disputed.
As moojor says, the article actually works against your argument.
The article also points out what I referred to earlier: you can use whatever implement you like, if you don't want to use the pencil provided in the booth.
It also makes clear the rules around sealing ballot boxes, and how these make fraud extremely difficult.
Who say what against,,, At the end of day,,, we have a vote. Like it or not. We will not be bullied or be bullied into anyone thinking,, With our freedom of speech or retaliation
Bubbles, I had the op in Evagelismos hospital, a Greek public hospital in Athens, which I attended as a walk-in emergency. I had a copy of a private MRI scan, the only thing I had to pay for.I was admitted within 6 hours,saw a consultant the following day, and had the op a week later. The medical team there were superb. As the UK is still part of the EU, the E111 card was valid, so instead of having to come back to the UK, and take up NHS resources, the Greek system took the strain (and re-charge the NHS). If the Brexit deal doesn't include the E111, it's estimated that around 1m expats will end up going back to the UK for ongoing healthcare,
Grey, it is my understanding that qualifying for Uk healthcare is essentially based on residency, I assume that residence in a EU country currently qualifies under a reciprocal agreement, surely if Brexit does go through without the issue being adequately addressed, then I doubt that EU expats can simply just go back to the UK for care.
Just for clarity, I think you are suggesting that around 1m current expats will return permanently to the UK to secure on going access to affordable healthcare.
Grey, thanks for the info. A totally different picture is painted of Greece by Murdoch and all the other right-wing press, as you are well aware of. I think many leavers would be surprised to hear your account of the health service there as compared with ours. My brother, who voted to leave the EU, is moving to Spain with his Remainer girlfriend next month. The thing which was the "last straw" for him was travelling into London to work on the train and only hearing "other languages". I know, I know, you couldn't make it up. I asked him what he plans to do about health insurance. He replied that Spain is so dependent on Brit tourism that there'd be "no problem". At this point, I gave up.
Brexit, a well thought out idea - not.
You didn't say whether you'll be having a wee dram :biggrin:
Will he be speaking in Spanish when travelling on the Spanish train system, through recalling his own fury when travelling on the trains of his own glorious nation and being forced to hear foreign languages? will he refer to himself as an immigrant or an ex-pat?
Chicago, yes, they will face the choice of resettling in the UK, or finding the funds for private healthcare. It was one of the many financial implications of Brexit that was simply ignored. At the moment the E111 card covers UK citizens in Europe.
Bubbles, your brother's attitude puts me inind of a Spanish expat who voted leave, and then said she hadn't thought it would impact on her right to stay in Spain...
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Qualitative comments described how this could include displaying campaign posters, or handing out leaflets close to polling stations. It is important to note that this is often a matter of differences in perception, with what campaigners may see as legitimate campaign efforts seen differently by voters.
Yet, in some instances cars were parked outside polling stations containing the campaign material. One CO said that they had ‘several instances of tellers having to be moved on due to their intimidation of the electorate.’ In another counting area:
We had one incident where a supporter of the exit campaign parked a car and the individual used a speaker to hail abuse at voters entering one polling station at [Location given]. Due to the attitude of the individual campaigning for exit Polling staff were advised to ring the Police but the incident passed before the Police arrived and it was not repeated.
Some COs reported, however, that the actions were often ‘”new” [campaigners] and were not familiar with the 'do's and don'ts'.’
67. When the affiliation of the agents involved in problems was cited by COs, they were all identified as leave campaigners.
As in the instance we are discussing the police were called and talked to the "agents" distributing leaflets then its fair to assume that the incident would have been recorded.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36411509
Anyone can make and print flyers
Stating “only use a pencil “
Even me !!!
I do a postal vote ,,, I herd you may have do it online?
Any way back pencilgate you only have to goggle it to find it’s not a one off.
Liverpool echo
Based on the fact it states that pencils are made available within all polling stations to be used.
So of course it's not a one off, every single polling station in the country has pencils for people to make their ballot paper for the reasons that it states in that article.
As moojor says, the article actually works against your argument.
The article also points out what I referred to earlier: you can use whatever implement you like, if you don't want to use the pencil provided in the booth.
It also makes clear the rules around sealing ballot boxes, and how these make fraud extremely difficult.
At the end of day,,, we have a vote.
Like it or not.
We will not be bullied or be bullied into anyone thinking,, With our freedom of speech or retaliation
If you, or anyone, makes a claim, it seems perfectly reasonable for others to ask for clarification regarding sources or evidence.
People are free to think what they like, but facts aren't matters of opinion.
This could be fun...
Just for clarity, I think you are suggesting that around 1m current expats will return permanently to the UK to secure on going access to affordable healthcare.
A totally different picture is painted of Greece by Murdoch and all the other right-wing press, as you are well aware of.
I think many leavers would be surprised to hear your account of the health service there as compared with ours.
My brother, who voted to leave the EU, is moving to Spain with his Remainer girlfriend next month.
The thing which was the "last straw" for him was travelling into London to work on the train and only hearing "other languages".
I know, I know, you couldn't make it up.
I asked him what he plans to do about health insurance.
He replied that Spain is so dependent on Brit tourism that there'd be "no problem". At this point, I gave up.
Brexit, a well thought out idea - not.
You didn't say whether you'll be having a wee dram :biggrin: