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  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited February 2018
    We haven't Vorse, but on that point I'm always worried that we will.

    We ultimately lost Payet because of our (perceived) lack of ambition, and I do worry that unless we invest heavily (or, at least, intelligently) in the players that will take us forward as a club then I fear we'll always be a stepping stone for ambitious players.

    Lanzini, Arnautovic, Antonio, even Masuaku; I can see these players looking elsewhere if we continue to tread water as we are, and I doubt they'll be short of suitors.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    IronHerb said:

    If we were like Southampton I'd support Portsmouth.

    Blue Army ;wahoo

    (Pompey is my home city)
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    edited February 2018
    If we had a much better start to the season I think a lot of the issues raised would not be issues anymore.

    My biggest issue is the stadium it's not what we were told it would be. No amount of on the pitch success with change the temporary feel of a lot of it.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    OCS, I don't think it's unique to our club or even recent years. (The stepping-stone thing, I mean). It's just the nature of the business and the nature of the players, who have a limited period in which to earn as much and win as much as they can.

    Look at Walker, Sanchez, Sterling, Suarez, Mahrez, Neymar, Ronaldo, - were players at clubs with trophies and ambition but who still treated the clubs as stepping stones.

    I can't foresee any level of investment or any level of ambition that would be a barrier to this happening.

  • LukerzLukerz
    edited February 2018
    SuzanneClaret said:

    If we had a much better start to the season I think a lot of the issues raised would not be issues anymore.

    My biggest issue is the stadium is not what we were told it would be. No amount of on the pitch success with change the temporary feel of a lot of it.

    And, tbf, that is a massively big issue. Anybody who wants to protest with the stadium as their main motivation is entitled to do so.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    We were told to expect one thing and imho were given something else.

    That is a protest issue I can get behind, although I won't be joining the march.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    Can I ask if any of the season ticket holders on here were asked about the club badge?
  • sweepy23sweepy23
    I was not
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited February 2018
    PrestonHammer said:

    Can I ask if any of the season ticket holders on here were asked about the club badge?

    There were 3 rounds of consultation.

    There was a (very well publicised) public poll at the time, open to anyone with a purchase history.

    And prior to that, the fans on the Supporter Advisory Board were consulted.

    And prior to that, there was a separate consultation about what elements of a badge design people felt were most important. (I can't remember if that was restricted in any way - it must have been, in order to prevent fans of other clubs scuppering it. But I can't remember exactly how they restricted it - at a guess, I'd say purchase history again. I'll see if I can find out ;ok )
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    I was asked.

    But I was on the SAB.

    I’ve never liked the castle.
  • MarkNobleLocalHeroMarkNobleLocalHero
    We ultimately lost Payet because of our (perceived) lack of ambition
    Eeerrrr OCS hold on there, who says? We lost him because he wanted to go back to France he was homesick. That should not be laid at the boards door.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Discussion of anti-doping administrative cods up is on 'didn't know where to put and and decided it didn't need a new thread' ;ok
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    MarkNobleLocalHero said:

    We ultimately lost Payet because of our (perceived) lack of ambition
    Eeerrrr OCS hold on there, who says? We lost him because he wanted to go back to France he was homesick. That should not be laid at the boards door.

    From Payet himself:
    "There were several reasons, but the first one was sporting: West Ham's objectives were no longer the same from the season before, and I felt danger for my football and my place in the France national team"
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    I think he wanted to go back to France so he could play in a proper football stadium. He seemed happy at The Boleyn...........................
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited February 2018
    OCS, that quote doesn't mean necessarily what you said it means. It is open to interpretation, and you have interpreted it one way. There are others.



    Plus, Payet's always going to be looking to blame someone or something else isn't he, and trying to cast himself in a good light after his bad behaviour?


    We were also told it was a family issue.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    OMG!

    Please don’t tell me the Payet temper tantrum is getting a re-brand.

  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Yeah! He didn't like the new badge. ;biggrin
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Whatever you want to call it he appears to be proved right!
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    "There were several reasons, but the first one was sporting: West Ham's objectives were no longer the same from the season before, and I felt danger for my football and my place in the France national team"
    And look how good that's panned out Dimi ;lol ;lol ;lol
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Expat,

    Sorry missed something there, playing for a team that's 3rd in the league and played for the national team last October!
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    Could have another re run of this as Arnie has been unleashed as an out and out striker and could be the next Luakaku, strong, skillfull (more so than Lukaku) and a finisher. I think teams will come in for him in the summer and feel that Arnie does what Arnie feels is best for Arnie, hence the treatment he got from Stoke fans. This means he may need some persuading to remain by us showing ambition in the transfer market. Other wise we may, I say may, have Payet mark 2.

    He may a complete gentleman and honour his recently signed contract of last summer but if Chelsea were even thinking of Carroll etc, Arnie is the perfect signing for them.
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    I thought he'd not played for a while, oh well .................
  • LukerzLukerz
    Macca - but if that is the case, as OCS has said before, why move us to the LS?

    If they never intended to spend their money longer term and only invest based on revenue and player sales, we should’ve stayed put.

    It raises the suspicion that they did it for their own gain and nothing more.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Macca85 said:


    As a business if we are only making 25mil per season it’s just NEVER gonna happen, they have already stated they do not wish to spend there kids inheritance and I for one agree with that there families futures are far more important.

    Their families futures are far more important to them

    I would argue the state of West Ham United FC is far more important to the fans, and I'm pretty sure that if the fans were told that we would only spend c.£25m per season, there would have been a hell of a lot more resistance to the move to the LS.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited February 2018
    Macca

    You are taking that quote out of context:
    I'm not in the business of risking my wealth, my granddaughter's inheritance," he says. "But I will go the extra mile for West Ham. I would not have come in in the first place if it hadn't been West Ham.
    http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/david-gold-my-dad-was-in-jail-we-were-in-abject-poverty-west-ham-was-pure-escapism-2364751.html

    He said something similar recently, referring to SImon Jordan doing his dough at Palace.

    His point is that neither of them are going to throw mad money at the club, but we already knew that.

    It is not that they will not inject some of their own money.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Lukerz said:

    It raises the suspicion that they did it for their own gain and nothing more.

    You say that as though you're surprised, that is 100% the reason they did it imo. From the word go they stated their ambition was to move to the OS; if that wasn't a possibility there is no way they would have bought us, again, imo.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    buffy

    And Gold says 100% it wasn't. I'm happy to believe him. From that same article:
    He denies that he invested in his boyhood club because he also saw the prospect of a lucrative move to the Olympic stadium. "I swear to you that it wasn't until we got into the club that we realised the potential," he says.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    The Icelanders were actively looking into relocating.

    I'd be very surprised if it wasn't in the Dave's thinking too.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Upton Park was a great stadium but it was getting old in parts (East Stand was built in 60@s) . If we had stayed we would have been even further behind the likes of Spurs Arsenal and Chelsea who will all have 60,000 stadiums soon. Although the OS is far from perfect it made a lot of sense moving there for the long term benefit of the club. If we had stayed we were restricted to how much we could redevelop the ground , the East Stand would have needed replacing at some point , maintenance costs would be higher etc . I get a better view at the OS for less money I would much prefer if we owned it and hopefully we will in the future bit if we stayed at UP I believe we would have remained a yo-yo club between Championship and PL .
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    bbb

    I'm happy to take Gold at his word.

    I don't appreciate your suggestion that by doing so I am somehow stupid.
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