13K people not renewing their season ticket would probably have more effect than a march - there will just be a debate about how many attended, rent a crowd will probably turn up and there could be trouble be trouble. how does that help? Expat - i dont think April has the money to buy the club.
Forget the 13k figure. Thats the number of people following the FB page not all of whom will march or demonstrate or fail to renew their ST. If a couple of thousand show up for the march then that will be enough, imo, to maintain momentum and be a thorn in the boards side. You can argue about the any effect that this may or may not achieve but their are a lot of angry supporters out there and they want to be heard.
A large part of protest is pressure and it is impossible to equate how small or large a part it plays in the decision making of those protested against post protest but politically protest can often shape policy. It could have a small effect in that the board consider the protests when making decisions, it could at the other end of the scale also hound the board out on account of I would imagine we all have a 'this is not worth it' level of stress.
Mike Ashley is someone who has been protested against on a reasonably regular basis since shortly after his arrival at Newcastle. Is his decision to leave due to the distinct lack of acceptance at the club or is it purely for business reasons? I don't know the answer to that, but he is selling up by all accounts.
From what I can see there are lots of smaller issues that people of the group organising it are unhappy about but essentially it looks to me that they feel they were provided with a vision to get behind the move from the Boleyn to Stratford and many did so in good faith but feel that the vision has not materialised and they now feel the move has not benefitted fans, and may have been in the interest of the owners rather than the fans. There are clearly some fans who feel let down, just how many will be able to be measured by the protest.
I do think it may take people by surprise with regard how organised, vocal and supported it is, I don't think the board will like this one bit.
It depends on how much it is representative of the fans in general , yes I get disappointed at not signing players but I never believed the whole champions league in 7 year stuff and I don't think the board are half as bad as some people make out. Yes they should keep quiet in the media but we are one of the few clubs owned by English owners and probably the only one in the league owned by people with a strong affiliation for the club . Of course they could be better but does that mean they should go . Also who is going to buy us there isn't a queue of rich Arabs lining up or Russian billionaires . I see clubs like villa hull Blackburn who got new owners who did nt really get football and ended up going out of the league.
If people want to march and protest about how the club is run, that is their affair and I'm not mithered either way.
However, I am storing up some mither for when it is reported as 'West Ham fans' as opposed to 'some West Ham fans' (not their fault, though, just the way the meejah is - assuming they don't claim to represent all of us.)
I would also be mithered if fans who support the protest dismiss those who don't as somehow less proper, informed or caring, either directly, or by implication by suggesting those who do want to protest are the 'real' fans.
I would also be mithered if fans who support the protest dismiss those who don't as somehow less proper, informed or caring, either directly, or by implication by suggesting those who do want to protest are the 'real' fans.
And on the other side of the coin, for those who don't agree with the protesters not to call them troublemakers or traitors.
I think its a great protest not to renew the season ticket, one which I am 100% behind, this may or may not be linked to the fact I was unable to get a season ticket due to RL when the stadium opened, so please fail to renew in your thousands, btw does anyone know the waiting list size?
Whilst I appreciate protesting may not be conducive in maintaining peace and harmony around the club but if you are not happy with something you either suffer in silence or make your feelings known. It appears some of the fans have reached the point where silence is no longer an option. ;ok
I think the stadium move has allowed us to compete on a higher livel for players. I don’t think it was the leap people expected, but it’s enough to make a small improvement.
No. It implies he has a reason for holding the opinion.
I think you have misunderstood his post. Or maybe misunderstood what is the difference between an assertion and an opinion, or maybe the difference between a reason and proof.
IBL I'm genuinely fascinated - on what do you base that assertion ?
Hernandez, Ayew, Arnautovic, Fonte are not players will would have traditionally had the benefit of having on the bench on huge salary’s for one. They are also highly regarded internationals and not players at the end of career or rebuilding their careers.
Whilst I appreciate protesting may not be conducive in maintaining peace and harmony around the club but if you are not happy with something you either suffer in silence or make your feelings known. It appears some of the fans have reached the point where silence is no longer an option. ;ok
Very true. Obviously the march will not force the owners to sell up, however, I think this is now a huge turning point and the beginning of the end of the Daves time in charge.
I actually think results on the pitch will decide. I feel they have lost a lot of goodwill and they will be held responsible (justifiably or not) for any and all failures in team performance now, but their best hope is that Moyes manages to keep us in the safe position we are now as that will dampen down descent.
Even though I understand and respect that this protest is not about results alone and more about the move and their lack of follow through I feel for it to gather the momentum to signal the end of them results being poor will bring in the undecided fans needed to create the groundswell to unnerve or unseat them.
The March is planned for Mid March and so there are a couple of scenarios and something in between which may have a say on how many decide they need be held accountable.
By March we could be in 8th slot after some good performances and results, Arnie could be banging them in for fun, Mario setting the pitch alight and Sully saying he will do all possible to meet Inters valuation and keep him, or by March we could be in the bottom three with tough matches ahead, Mario and Hugnil have barely made any impression and we look like going down.
The first could make the fans who could be swayed either way ask what all the fuss is about and the second could make those same fans say yes you are right we need do something and now is the time.
Oh rest assured that these two owners will only sell when they want too. Even 60,000 fans on a march won't change that. But it's clear to see now that many thousands of disgruntled fans are no longer falling for the PR and deceit and have had enough.
The only reason there is a March is because the owners are incapable of keeping there mouths shut, make all these promises don’t carry them through then get held to account No promises no march One day they will learn to live in the shadows
What promises have they made? I'm really interested in what people view were concrete promises and not just desires and aspirations for where they want the club to be.
Please don't quote entire posts, especially when they are long, unless it is really necessary. I've edited your post.
many thousands of disgruntled fans are no longer falling for the PR and deceit
This is exactly the kind of comment that gets me mithered, since the implication is that those who do not feel like these fans are too stupid to see through the owners, rather than accept that they have informed themselves and come to a different opinion.
Well it's just the same when you hear remoaners tell leavers how thick, stupid, naive and ignorant they are for voting leave. Personally I wouldn't use such language as we are all west ham fans, however, it is clear that slowly the penny is dropping for many thousands of fans.
Not sure why you would choose to justify your behaviour by saying 'well, others do it', (particularly in a very different context) especially when it seems that you disapprove of it when they do.
There is no 'penny' to drop, imo.
Some fans are coming to conclusion that others would not draw.
That's it.
To insist that you and they have seen the light, or caught the dropping penny, is to imply that others have failed to do so.
Express your view of the owners by all means, but don't tell us that we are too stupid to see what you see (not even by implication.)
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Expat - i dont think April has the money to buy the club.
Mike Ashley is someone who has been protested against on a reasonably regular basis since shortly after his arrival at Newcastle. Is his decision to leave due to the distinct lack of acceptance at the club or is it purely for business reasons? I don't know the answer to that, but he is selling up by all accounts.
From what I can see there are lots of smaller issues that people of the group organising it are unhappy about but essentially it looks to me that they feel they were provided with a vision to get behind the move from the Boleyn to Stratford and many did so in good faith but feel that the vision has not materialised and they now feel the move has not benefitted fans, and may have been in the interest of the owners rather than the fans. There are clearly some fans who feel let down, just how many will be able to be measured by the protest.
I do think it may take people by surprise with regard how organised, vocal and supported it is, I don't think the board will like this one bit.
However, I am storing up some mither for when it is reported as 'West Ham fans' as opposed to 'some West Ham fans' (not their fault, though, just the way the meejah is - assuming they don't claim to represent all of us.)
I would also be mithered if fans who support the protest dismiss those who don't as somehow less proper, informed or caring, either directly, or by implication by suggesting those who do want to protest are the 'real' fans.
Twice.
I think you have misunderstood his post. Or maybe misunderstood what is the difference between an assertion and an opinion, or maybe the difference between a reason and proof.
Assertions can't, by definition, have proof.
Even though I understand and respect that this protest is not about results alone and more about the move and their lack of follow through I feel for it to gather the momentum to signal the end of them results being poor will bring in the undecided fans needed to create the groundswell to unnerve or unseat them.
The March is planned for Mid March and so there are a couple of scenarios and something in between which may have a say on how many decide they need be held accountable.
By March we could be in 8th slot after some good performances and results, Arnie could be banging them in for fun, Mario setting the pitch alight and Sully saying he will do all possible to meet Inters valuation and keep him, or by March we could be in the bottom three with tough matches ahead, Mario and Hugnil have barely made any impression and we look like going down.
The first could make the fans who could be swayed either way ask what all the fuss is about and the second could make those same fans say yes you are right we need do something and now is the time.
I think results will determine how much disgruntlement is displayed.
My general impression of the owners is that they are unlikely to be driven out, if they don't want to sell.
Of course, imagine the hysteria if they do sell, and make a whacking profit, after being hounded out by angry fans.
I suspect there would then be a spot of 'told you they were only in it for the money.'
Unless, but yes, that's it!
This is all a conspiracy fuelled by the owners to provide a valid excuse for them to sell up!
But it's clear to see now that many thousands of disgruntled fans are no longer falling for the PR and deceit and have had enough.
Please don't quote entire posts, especially when they are long, unless it is really necessary. I've edited your post. This is exactly the kind of comment that gets me mithered, since the implication is that those who do not feel like these fans are too stupid to see through the owners, rather than accept that they have informed themselves and come to a different opinion.
Well it's just the same when you hear remoaners tell leavers how thick, stupid, naive and ignorant they are for voting leave.
Personally I wouldn't use such language as we are all west ham fans, however, it is clear that slowly the penny is dropping for many thousands of fans.
There is no 'penny' to drop, imo.
Some fans are coming to conclusion that others would not draw.
That's it.
To insist that you and they have seen the light, or caught the dropping penny, is to imply that others have failed to do so.
Express your view of the owners by all means, but don't tell us that we are too stupid to see what you see (not even by implication.)