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1) Why are we in a fight with Sporting? Irrespective who is right or wrong it paints the club in a bad light and others will be wary of doing business with us.
2) Why is the fight so public? If DS didn't shout his mouth off, any disagreements could've been dealt with behind closed doors.
3) If clubs have acted inappropriately they normally just get referred to Fifa/Uefa. Why has this become such a public slagging match?
4) If real, the offer email is a disgrace. The presentation and vocab is a joke. Do they know about attachments and letter headed paper?
5) If the owners are going to court, then keep your mouth shut until the case. For me this proves they will never go to court and are trying desperately to save face.
6) Sporting are now reporting us to Fifa for tapping up the player, which supposedly will force all correspondence into the public domain.
7) If we were serious, where are the other offers? There would have been negotiations. I remember reading that other offers were put forward and that we were only 3m euros away from their 35m valuation. I also remember reading that they wanted nearly all of it upfront. Was this all just spin to make the fans think we were trying when in fact we weren't?
8) Again if the email is real, DS supposedly works 24/7 on transfers. The email looked like it took all of 2 minutes to write.
9) DS should just be a grown up and pick up the phone to Sporting and deal with this privately.
10) Why are email addresses blacked out on the email?
I'm sorry but this whole episode is a such a damning indictment of West Ham and the world of football in general. The amount of money, the global reach, the customers involved, wages being paid less than the minimum wage, the pretense of professionalism, when you really know it is still a lads club, run by people who make dodgy deals, hide money, lie and are complete chancers. It is a billion dollar global industry, being run like a market stall.
2,3 and 5. When did DS shout his mouth off? In what way is it a 'slanging match'? He made a short and fairly uncontroversial comment about why the Carvalho deal didn't go through, indicating it was his choice not to proceed in the circumstances. The Sporting president came out and called them names in public. DS hasn't responded in kind, he has kept quiet apart from a simple statement repeating that they did put in a bid for the player. The only thing that has been said publicly is that Dav Jr has stated that Sullivan will be taking legal action. Since then, there has been no public comment by DA (so, as you say, he is keeping his mouth shut.)
And if the emails are just spoofs/fakes?
PS, what money have they hidden? Do tell!
Then you would write in a letter you are borrowing a player from PSG if this does not happen.
The letters seem like complete fakes and to stupid to even consider real. Im sure DS has enough business nous to know in matters like transfers a more professional and legitimate letter would be produced and i imagine it wouldn't come straight from David Sullivans e-mail, surely there would be an official West Ham United e-mail account to deal with such dealings as Transfers and the such.
I have no issue with making an opening offer of a lower price than the club claims itwants - everybody does it. eg, Everton/Sigurdsson, Roma/Mahrez, Sampdoria/Wilshere, Man City/Mendy. It's not 'embarrasing'.
I also have no issue with the proposals to spread the fee over 3 years. Again, that is quite normal. All clubs do it.
2,3 and 5. When has he not? From the get go he was stating that we didn't sign Carvalho because SL came back too late in the day. He was already blaming the other side. Blaming SL for coming back late or Slav for not wanting two other players as a reason why we didn't sign anyone, isn't acceptable for me. He's just giving excuses. If he'd just keep his mouth shut and apologise for not getting any other deals over the line none of this would've started.
I'm sorry but whatever people say, this is not positive for the football club. If responsibility doesn't sit with the owners then where does it sit?
It's a shame seeing West Ham constantly in the press for the wrong reasons. It would be nice to be able to have a sense of pride and honour back into our football club.
Now they are saying they will go to court. What a load of lies. Watch this space.
If they're fake, Sky Sports are stupider than I thought.
However I feel that SL will take this to Fifa and we won't go anywhere. We will try and sweep it under the carpet.
I just can't see it.
valuation of the player and lets face it they wouldn't sell him to us in January now if we was the last team on earth ..
True or not why does this always happen to us ?
Circus is the word i feel today .
They have a responsibility for something larger than themselves, and in view of that should keep a dignified silence on something like this, rather than desperately defend themselves.
Very poor.
Absolutely hilarious. Time and time again we say all they need to do sometimes is keep it buttoned. It's not only the situation with SL that has caught fire, but also I suspect their own manager isn't best thrilled either.
Utterly mindless from Sully and he deserves every ounce on flak that comes his way for this situation which is entirely of his own making.
You didn't 'cause' it.
By all means correct the reports if they are factually wrong, but it's not your responsibility to defend the decisions of a bunch of people you don't know and have no control over, surely?
(That's an example. Not in any way an allegation ;whome)
Anyone who doesn't behave like that is just the equivalent of a troll and why would I care about anything they say?
Just imagine the uproar if it were legit and the email addresses had been left in. The Daves would be forced to change their email address within minutes!
Stating the obvious... We need to beat Huddersfield and pick up some points beyond that. That'd help!
However, my current memory of our last game (with sideways and backwards passing when we were 2 down then 3 down) against a 'championship level' Newcastle side just felt like there was no plan, no system, precious little creativity and coordination. Perhaps desire too...
We have good players. Most of us will agree with that. But, for me, the really worrying thing was that I was watching (impatient and irritated at the lack of urgency and penetration without the capacity to defend well being mentioned til now) were the things mentioned above.
I never wanted Bilic as manager (Marcelo Bielsa was my hope however viable that was) but since the appointment, as a fan, I obviously wanted him to be a success. I just dont currently have any faith that he knows what hes doing. Maybe the team dont listen? Maybe we really dont have an identifiable plan A and B etc.
I just dont think hes the man to lead us and I wonder how long it'll go on and how poorly we'll have to play before some action is taken. I really hope I am surprised and we start to play as a cohesive, solid attacking/defending team.
There's a lack of faith in that at the moment and this Sporting Lisbon business will hardly help with club morale or faith in the owners and their credibility!
I havent posted in a while (the teams state at the moment hardly helped) so forgive the lengthy posting please...