Summer 2017 Transfer: The final countdown and the fallout

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  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
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  • HamstewHamstew
    West Ham are commencing legal proceedings against the communications director of sporting Lisbon as a written offer for the player was made
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;hmm

    Against the communications director?

    Still, if true, interesting to see they are certain that hey have a case.
  • HamstewHamstew
    edited September 2017
    Moore_than_a_nick said:

    Doesn't bode well for signing Carvalho in January though!

    That's what I thought. I think us doing any future deals with sporting are dead.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2017
    Moore-than

    After what the SL owner said about Sullivan, I suspect that was unlikely anyway. That relationship had irretrievably broken down, methinks.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    What concerns me more is had it all gone through we may actually have ended up signing the Sporting chairman by mistake.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Didn't you want Sully out then? ;lol
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    edited September 2017
    Again all Sully had to do was say nothing on the matter. If you allow relations with another club sour needlessly it will only come back to bite in terms of future potential transfers. We are already in that boat with Spurs, and now Sporting Lisbon.

    All he has succeeded in doing is cheese off SL, cheese off his own manager, and generally made our club a bit of a laughing stock.

    Very well done, Sully, I hope you are proud of your actions.

    ;doh
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    If sully was going to pay the release clause he would have already done so, so it's a moot point
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2017
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    Again all Sully had to do was say nothing on the matter. If you allow relations with another club sour needlessly it will only come back to bite in terms of future potential transfers.

    No. Don't agree at all, baracks. (On this occasion, anyway - often I think he'd do better to keep it zipped but on this issue I think it is right not to let it go.)

    If he'd said nothing, the fans who have called him a liar on the back of the SL guy's comments would persist in calling him a liar. In no possible alternative reality would those people say 'oh, ok, he's telling the truth but is keeping schtum because he just doesn't want to sour relations with the SL guy'. So you have part of the fan base calling him a liar in perpetuity.

    Second, he's got to continue to deal in the transfer market with other owners/clubs... how can he go about his business with an unchallenged label of 'liar' attached to him? That would be no good for West Ham.

    I think it's saying nothing that would come back to bite in terms of future potential transfers.

    (Unless everybody knows that, as rumoured, the SL guy is loony tunes.... )


  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Maybe the DM is the SL president's son and just didn't want him to leave home.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    How about Sully just says nothing to start with?
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    So they reckon they bid 23m via email and an agent, think we were a bit low?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    You think Sully will climb down and pay pay extra monies in the process? I don't. He's not even prepared to pay off managers he no longer wants!
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Maybe SL will settle out of court and just give us Carvalho in January Better still they terminate his contract and we pick him up now.
  • McHammerMcHammer
    WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

    For loans?

    Sorry yes
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    baracks_a_hammer said:

    You think Sully will climb down and pay pay extra monies in the process? I don't. He's not even prepared to pay off managers he no longer wants!

    And then people moan that contracts aren't honoured. Cant have it both ways.
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Slaven_Cups_His_Beard said:

    So they reckon they bid 23m via email and an agent, think we were a bit low?

    Went to Junk Mail?
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    IronHerb said:

    baracks_a_hammer said:

    You think Sully will climb down and pay pay extra monies in the process? I don't. He's not even prepared to pay off managers he no longer wants!

    And then people moan that contracts aren't honoured. Cant have it both ways.
    No idea what point is being made. The signs are clearly there, as with Sam, that the board may not want to continue longer term with him. So they would rather let it meander, stunting any progress the club might make. There is a distinction between players and managers.
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    I would like to believe that we were really trying for Carvalho but it's hard to believe in this day and age we would have let things go down to the last seconds if we really were going to pay big money.
    There is always noise but we never spend the money that will take us forwards.
    I really thought in this window we were going to change for the better but we will do really well to avoid relegation with such a small injury plagued squad.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I personally think that had we won, drawn or even had a small defeat but played well v Newcastle, then Carvalho would be our player today.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    I think Sporting Lisbon held out as long as they could to get as much money as possible and it blew up in their face as they did n't realise who they were dealing with. ;lol
  • SlojoSlojo
    Only West Ham can end up in court over someone they DIDN'T buy.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    So what do we know.....

    SL were supposedly after around £38m for their player Carvalho

    Sully says original WHUFC bid was £23m over 3 years with add ons to be discussed

    Sully says offer was sent by email to SL and to agent (let's hope he had the delivery or read receipt ticked)

    Club source (I know, I know) linked to a certain site says that they're hoping SL come back late in the window, our only hope of getting player.

    Sully says that SL came back and ACCEPTED our original offer (see above) late on deadline day and no chance to get medical done.

    First off why would SL accept £23m over 3 years, even if the add ons had been discussed?

    Secondly I think something has been lost in translation here. I believe SL director is accusing Sully of the fact that they didn't come back late in the day and accept original (or any) offer and that's where they're calling him out.

    Also I read somewhere that SL said they didn't get any "concrete bids" therefore they have dismissed anything we did bid, because it was too low ie not serious bids, they're essentially not counting it as a "bid"

    All, just my opinion

  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    A story today that they were trying to flog him to Monaco for more money and when they did n't get an offer from them tried to accept our offer on deadline day. I feel sorry for the player in all of this
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    edited September 2017
    Utterly ridiculous . I hate to say it but Mr levy makes our board look like complete and utter amateurs.
    It is funny though that the club seems to make all the right noises about spending big and taking us forwards but the moves never seem to materialise for one reason or another.
    20 -25 doesn't buy game changers lots of clubs spend that and that seems all we are willing to spend and then only if we have sold loads of players.
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    One thing that isn't on is the son of the owner detailing our possible legal actions all over twitter.

    Of course that is probably Sully either telling or agreeing to his boy doing that, which makes it even worse

    I'm not sure our owners have been this unpopular in their almost 8 year reign
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    Wait till we are 3-0 down at home to Huddersfield and see how unpopular they are!!
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited September 2017
    That's the spirit ;thumbsup

    #saynotopositivethinking

    ;biggrin
  • HuttonhammerHuttonhammer
    Mrs grey .

    It was a joke. It will probably be 4-0!!
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