Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

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  • LaurasupababeLaurasupababe
    Chicago,
    Yes I think she's toast as far as leading the Tories goes, she's damaged and has been shown to be a weak leader. They made a poor choice in her as leader after Cameron and I can't see her surviving more than a few more months.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited June 2017
    Chicago - the Fixed Parliament Act made it a FIVE year term not four, the Tories now don't have to call an election until 2022.

    In order to trigger another General Election you either need the two thirds or there have to be two "no confidence" votes in the space of 14 days and all that's needed is a simple majority. As the Tories (317) are unlikely to vote "no confidence" in themselves Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Greens (314) would need the DUP's support.

    Or for DUP to abstain and the seven Sinn Fein MPs could actually take their seats in Westminster. Seeing as the papers kept harping on that Corbyn supported the IRA you'd think he might have a word with Gerry Adams and get his lot to turn up for once in their lives.

    Ryanair flights from Belfast to London are cheap, they could fly over, vote and fly back again the next day. And if they brought sleeping bags they could kip in Corbyn's spare room.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Sinn Fein will not pledge allegiance to the Queen which, I understand, they need to do to take their seats.

  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited June 2017
    Maybe tell them that if they keep their fingers crossed behind their backs it doesn't count.......
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    ;whistle
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    As the Tories (317) are unlikely to vote "no confidence" in themselves Labour, Lib Dems, SNP, Plaid and Greens (314) would need the DUP's support.

    Might you could get a few rebel Tories possibly voting against? Possibly? If they hate Brexit, or hate May, or if the govt offers something regressive to the DUP?

    Of if the DUP feel they aren't getting what they want from the Tories, they might not back the govt...

    And the Tory majority could shrink further if that South Thanet MP has to step down after the election expenses trial.

    And if a sitting MP pops his or her clogs and the seat is lost in the subsequent bye-election.

    And if one crosses the floor.

    And if they elect a Tory speaker, who doesn't vote.......

    Can you see what I'm hoping for here? ;biggrin
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    Interesting.

    George Osborne being interviewd on the telly: May’s negotiating position of 'no deal is better than a bad deal' is dead in the water. The DUP would never allow the UK to just walk away without a deal because that would result in a hard border going up between Northern Ireland and the Republic, which is unacceptable to the DUP.

    I wonder if that is true (not the DUP position) but that a no deal in terms of trade would necessarily also mean no deal in terms of anything else. ;hmm

    Still, the lack of a clear majority must surely weaken her negotiating position.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited June 2017
    Mrs G - the only Tories that would want another election are those with very, very large majorities, the rest aren't going to rock the boat and risk losing their seats.

    The current speaker is a Tory, I think the next one has to be Labour by tradition

    Apparently the deal with the DUP isn't done and they're angry at May for saying it was.

    Somehting about organising something in a brewery? ;lol
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    ;hmm I thought Bercow was Labour? My mistake. (I'd leapt to that assumption after he rubbished Trump.)
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    edited June 2017
    So I hear May will be the next England manager, seeing how she can successfully bring defeat from victory is an expert in shooting herself and shows continued disregard for her opposition ensuring a kick in the backside....

    The knives must be out but I guess the problem for the tories is that BJ is the man waiting in the wings, we know he wants the job as he sold the whole country down the river by backing exit to get it....
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    That's the problem - many people (many millions actually) would disagree that voting to leave the EU was selling the country down the river
  • LaurasupababeLaurasupababe
    MrsGrey said:

    Interesting.



    I wonder if that is true (not the DUP position) but that a no deal in terms of trade would necessarily also mean no deal in terms of anything else. ;hmm

    Still, the lack of a clear majority must surely weaken her negotiating position.

    Yes no deal would mean exactly that
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    MrsGrey said:

    ;hmm I thought Bercow was Labour? My mistake. (I'd leapt to that assumption after he rubbished Trump.)

    No, Bercow (Con) followed Betty Boothroyd (Lab) who followed Bernard Wetherill (Con) who followed George Thomas (Lab) who followed Selwyn Lloyd (Con) who followed old uncle Tom Cobbley and All (Jesus Christ we're all going to die party).
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    John Oliver explains Brexit and the General Election to Americans



    Warning; gets a bit sweary
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Michael Gove for the environment?? Really??!!! Loves fox hunting, hates badger. I wouldn't let him empty the litter tray!!!
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited June 2017
    I think May is hoping that giving Gove a job will dissuade him from mounting a leadership challenge as he was the only one of her three opponents last year who wasn't already in her cabinet.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Keep your enemies close.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    I hope all Brexiteers are fit and healthy and not in need of hospital care.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40248366

    Oh well, at least they're taking back control.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Last July, 1,304 nurses from the EU joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%. The Health Foundation said the findings could not be more stark and said they should act as a "wake-up call".

    But the NMC said the introduction of English language testing for EU nurses is also likely to have played a role
    Does this mean the NMU were registering nurses who couldn't speak English fluently? I'd have thought that would have been essential for working in UK hospitals, etc.

    "Nurse, I'm worried about my discharge......."
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
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  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ;angry ;angry ;angry
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Personally, I'm in favour of Gove hunting ;biggrin
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    Who you're gonna call??? Gove Busters!!!!
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Trump and May melting the icecap one decision at a time.....
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Yep.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    edited June 2017
    Just as a matter of interest is anyone who is against fox hunting happy to consume a helping of fois gras in a posh restaurant?? ;hmm

  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Personally it what's in the first three paragraphs that bother me..

    I eat anything, give me a slow roasted Panda served on a bed of pickled dodo eggs and I will ask for seconds....

    Or not...
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    Gove also (when he was in charge of education) tried to get the subject of climate change moved in the curriculum so that it was taught in science, rather than geography. This would have meant the focus was on just the physical science rather than also covering the human impact/contribution.
    He is on the record as saying he wants to scrap various environmental regulations once we leave the EU (and will be no longer bound by them).

    All this when the govt is repeatedly derelict in its duty (and has been for years) in fulfilling its legal obligations to tackling air pollution. (I have highlighted this issue before.) I ahve an absolute certainty that they will delay some more, until we are out f the EU, then scrap the rules, avoid the fines and allow people to continue to die unnecessarily. ;angry
  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Last July, 1,304 nurses from the EU joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%. The Health Foundation said the findings could not be more stark and said they should act as a "wake-up call".

    But the NMC said the introduction of English language testing for EU nurses is also likely to have played a role
    Does this mean the NMU were registering nurses who couldn't speak English fluently? I'd have thought that would have been essential for working in UK hospitals, etc.

    "Nurse, I'm worried about my discharge......."

    Our pediatrician wanted to get permission to work in the UK and the stuff she had to do was beyond ridiculous. She had a diploma from the GDR and it was such a hassle to have the UK acknowledge it. And then the language testing ... even I had trouble doing some of that. I understand they need to understand and talk but is it really neccessary for a doctor to write essays in a foreign language?
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    To be honest, some of the writing I have seen from British doctors, I'm not sure I would notice the difference if it was written in another language.
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