Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

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  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    John Oliver explains Brexit and the General Election to Americans



    Warning; gets a bit sweary
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Michael Gove for the environment?? Really??!!! Loves fox hunting, hates badger. I wouldn't let him empty the litter tray!!!
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    edited June 2017
    I think May is hoping that giving Gove a job will dissuade him from mounting a leadership challenge as he was the only one of her three opponents last year who wasn't already in her cabinet.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Keep your enemies close.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    I hope all Brexiteers are fit and healthy and not in need of hospital care.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40248366

    Oh well, at least they're taking back control.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Last July, 1,304 nurses from the EU joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%. The Health Foundation said the findings could not be more stark and said they should act as a "wake-up call".

    But the NMC said the introduction of English language testing for EU nurses is also likely to have played a role
    Does this mean the NMU were registering nurses who couldn't speak English fluently? I'd have thought that would have been essential for working in UK hospitals, etc.

    "Nurse, I'm worried about my discharge......."
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
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  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    ;angry ;angry ;angry
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Personally, I'm in favour of Gove hunting ;biggrin
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    Who you're gonna call??? Gove Busters!!!!
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Trump and May melting the icecap one decision at a time.....
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Yep.
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    edited June 2017
    Just as a matter of interest is anyone who is against fox hunting happy to consume a helping of fois gras in a posh restaurant?? ;hmm

  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Personally it what's in the first three paragraphs that bother me..

    I eat anything, give me a slow roasted Panda served on a bed of pickled dodo eggs and I will ask for seconds....

    Or not...
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    Gove also (when he was in charge of education) tried to get the subject of climate change moved in the curriculum so that it was taught in science, rather than geography. This would have meant the focus was on just the physical science rather than also covering the human impact/contribution.
    He is on the record as saying he wants to scrap various environmental regulations once we leave the EU (and will be no longer bound by them).

    All this when the govt is repeatedly derelict in its duty (and has been for years) in fulfilling its legal obligations to tackling air pollution. (I have highlighted this issue before.) I ahve an absolute certainty that they will delay some more, until we are out f the EU, then scrap the rules, avoid the fines and allow people to continue to die unnecessarily. ;angry
  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    Last July, 1,304 nurses from the EU joined the Nursing and Midwifery Council register, compared to 46 in April this year, a fall of 96%. The Health Foundation said the findings could not be more stark and said they should act as a "wake-up call".

    But the NMC said the introduction of English language testing for EU nurses is also likely to have played a role
    Does this mean the NMU were registering nurses who couldn't speak English fluently? I'd have thought that would have been essential for working in UK hospitals, etc.

    "Nurse, I'm worried about my discharge......."

    Our pediatrician wanted to get permission to work in the UK and the stuff she had to do was beyond ridiculous. She had a diploma from the GDR and it was such a hassle to have the UK acknowledge it. And then the language testing ... even I had trouble doing some of that. I understand they need to understand and talk but is it really neccessary for a doctor to write essays in a foreign language?
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    To be honest, some of the writing I have seen from British doctors, I'm not sure I would notice the difference if it was written in another language.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    The English language testing requirement is being implemented in the most ridiculous way, imo.

    It is inflexible and inappropriate. Almost like they are being drawn up by politicians and bureaucrats, rather than experts. ;wink
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Every decision made by Downing Street in the last 72hours is most troubling.

    You know there is a massive problem when Sir John Major and Tony Blairs cheif of staff agree.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ASLEFshrugged said:

    y large majorities, the rest aren't going to rock the boat and risk losing their seats.

    The current speaker is a Tory, I think the next one has to be Labour by tradition

    Bercow staying on ;ok
  • mikemike
    edited June 2017
    My wife who worked for the nhs as a senior sister was asked to go to the Philippines and spain to recruit nurses due to the shortages here.It did not matter what qualifications they had because if they didn't have a good command of the english language they were not chosen.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    The issue for me, Mike, is (1) what is judged 'a good command' - which I think should be actually labeled ' a good enough command' in the circumstances of their job, and (2) how is it assessed?

    As a separate issue, the rules for non-EU workers have always included an English language requirement. My understanding is that there are new rules applicable to EU workers?

    And, in some cases, to UK workers... how's this for a story....

    I know someone who is London born and bred. Worked as a bus conductor and (later) bus driver for years. Passed the knowledge, became a black cab driver. Did that for decades. Decided to move over into 'private hire.'

    Was told that to get a licence, he'd have to prove his English was good enough. None of his work history was proof of this, they said. And unfortunately, from the list of acceptable qualifications that could be used as evidence, he had none. So he would have to taken (and paid for) a test. And of all the English language testing systems out there, and there are many, only 2 were listed as acceptable (Ielts and Trinity - for those of you that know about this stuff).
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    But its well known cabbies talk nonsense ;run
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    ;whome



  • MunichHammerMunichHammer
    MrsG IELTS is quite tricky. Our pediatrician would need to take the academic test and score at least 8 in every single part of the test to be able to work in the UK. And that is as a EU member. She has now given up and works in Switzerland for 3 or 4 days every two weeks, earning a fortune for that little time.
  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    Now the dust has began to settle (a little ) after the election I have the same feeling as before which is until brexiters give up their prize the country really has few prospects of anything but treading water until a big shock, related or not hits and sinks us into a whole new way of understanding where we are and adapting to a new standard of living.

    I am finding it harder and harder to see any gain for the country from brexit beyond ideological satisfaction. The EU has weathered it's storm of elections and look stronger than ever politically with France feeling optimistic once again and the Franco/German alliance more than ever on the same page. All they need now is an arrogant UK to fail and serve as a warning to these that leave and they will be stronger than before. We have no bargaining power during negotiations and I feel more than ever that in 2 years time people will wonder how we could have self harmed to such a degree in such a short time.

    We will likely need agree a large divorce bill before agreeing a worse than current trade deal and so through sheer being unable to admit our stupidity may end up shouting a bit and walking away without a deal. At which point we will be used by EU companies for only the essential things they cannot source within the EU itself, and the take from tax from our financial services industry will be missing as it has its bags packed for Frankfurt, Paris and Dublin.

    We already have inflation heading upwards and interest rates doing the same will sink the country as too many do not have the space to cope with them.

    Does anyone feel any good news to do with our leaving will come soon and what will it be?

  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited June 2017
    Madrid ;ok

    I've not taught to the IELTS, but am familiar with it. An 8 across all 4 skill areas, and on the academic strand too - you have to question whether that's the best/necessary/only minimum level.
  • EXETERHAMMEREXETERHAMMER
    Appointing Gove as Environment Secretary is appalling. The man is despicable and cannot be trusted on anything.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User]
    C&B,
    I can only see a hard Brexit happening to be honest. The EU have already stated that the UK can not cherry pick which parts of the EU we want to be apart of and I think the reality is they will be looking to make an example of us to deter others from the same course. So we have a choice of a huge divorce bill and a bad trade deal or walking away with no deal which no one in
    Parliament will except. Basically we are stuffed.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Well, we haven't actually started negotiating yet so who knows?
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