;wave I'm going to split out some comments from this thread that are not about the manager, and for which we have already got threads on the relevant topic.
I might leave it up to you to work out where they've gone. ;biggrin
":The atmosphere isn't just dead at this stadium, it was pretty bad a lot of the time at Upton Park."
That applies to the vast majority of grounds in the Prem at least so to aim it at West Ham specifically is just plain wrong imo.
I don't care about other stadiums. I didn't say West Ham were worse than other teams, I said our fans aren't as good as they think they are. And actually, I think the atmosphere was often worse than dead, it has seemed like a weight on the players heads more often than it has uplifted them.
People talk about players being spoilt, not working hard enough, not caring etc. like the old days. Well, I wasn't there in the old days but if football supporters really were so good then, they've obviously changed. They want managers gone at every corner, decide players aren't good enough after 10 mins, do almost nothing to lift their team.
Who do we actually think we are? No manager will take us to the 'next level' without a takeover. What right do we have to be ahead of Everton, Southampton or Stoke, let alone the top 6? We could pick out a gem of a manager like Southampton have a couple of times but he'll then go somewhere else and we're left rebuilding again. I'd rather see us consolidate than try to jump forward.
Sure, we're not playing well and this season has been difficult but we're still 12th despite all the issues we had with Payet and Europa, imo, having an impact on how we had to buy in the Summer.
So that's a slightly different point. Keep him for several years but maybe get rid if he takes us down?
Which then presents a grey area - what to do if we are sitting in a hull type position after 30 games next season? Keep him with the risk we will sink. Or bring in someone to do a rescue job ;hmm
I personally do not think the daves will for one moment want to take any chances with our Prem status - they already got stung by not acting when it came to grant.
Benitez could maybe attract a few bigger names than Bilic , I talked to a Newcastle fan and Benitez was not happy in January during the transfer window so I think it will depend on Ashley getting his wallet out. Not that I think we should get rid of Bilic at this moment in time but Benitez is one of the few managers who I think is a step up.
I notice the club has started up that idiotic Mediawatch section on the website again. Today's section includes speculative content that undermines Bilic's position. Amateurish.
Bilic hasn't gone from overseeing our best ever season (points wise) to not being the man for us.
The club need to do the right thing here and back him. Don't make the mistake of thinking he's the reason we're struggling and not the fact the net spend this season has been pretty low.
We have the 6th highest net spend in the PL this season.
And net spend isn't really relevant, since the club had never planned to sell Payet, so it's not like they were being cheap in the summer, when they spent over £50m and only sold Tonka for £10m.
The simple fact is we spent over £70m on bringing in players this season.
I'm really not sure what good it does to try to avoid or deny that.
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Of course I / we / most of us know it takes a lot longer
But there are many out there who thought it was like waving a magic wand and we'd be top 4 all of a sudden......
The point is they should be either extremely clear about what they say and allow for little to no confusion over expectations
That would help, IMO
I really don't think you can establish any useful policy on the basis of trying to ensure that the densest among us wouldn't be confused by it.
At some point, for me, you have to assume a reasonable level of cognitive engagement, and if that is missing, accept the Twit aftermath..
I might leave it up to you to work out where they've gone. ;biggrin
Just out of interest do you think Roeder should have been given a chance for several seasons? After all didn't he prove that he could do it too?
":The atmosphere isn't just dead at this stadium, it was pretty bad a lot of the time at Upton Park."
That applies to the vast majority of grounds in the Prem at least so to aim it at West Ham specifically is just plain wrong imo.
People talk about players being spoilt, not working hard enough, not caring etc. like the old days. Well, I wasn't there in the old days but if football supporters really were so good then, they've obviously changed. They want managers gone at every corner, decide players aren't good enough after 10 mins, do almost nothing to lift their team.
Who do we actually think we are? No manager will take us to the 'next level' without a takeover. What right do we have to be ahead of Everton, Southampton or Stoke, let alone the top 6? We could pick out a gem of a manager like Southampton have a couple of times but he'll then go somewhere else and we're left rebuilding again. I'd rather see us consolidate than try to jump forward.
Sure, we're not playing well and this season has been difficult but we're still 12th despite all the issues we had with Payet and Europa, imo, having an impact on how we had to buy in the Summer.
;ok
So that's a slightly different point. Keep him for several years but maybe get rid if he takes us down?
Which then presents a grey area - what to do if we are sitting in a hull type position after 30 games next season? Keep him with the risk we will sink. Or bring in someone to do a rescue job ;hmm
I personally do not think the daves will for one moment want to take any chances with our Prem status - they already got stung by not acting when it came to grant.
A manager has had a decent half season at a Champo club, and we're all over him?
I know there are those on here who don't rate the DDs, but surely no one could take this seriously, could they?
Reflect?
Reflect?
;yercoat
I'm a glass half full kind of person.
(See what I did there? ;wink ;wahoo )
Listing on ebay, make a fortune.
NO
The club need to do the right thing here and back him. Don't make the mistake of thinking he's the reason we're struggling and not the fact the net spend this season has been pretty low.
Quite a good article on Bilic and our troubles this season
We have the 6th highest net spend in the PL this season.
And net spend isn't really relevant, since the club had never planned to sell Payet, so it's not like they were being cheap in the summer, when they spent over £50m and only sold Tonka for £10m.
The simple fact is we spent over £70m on bringing in players this season.
I'm really not sure what good it does to try to avoid or deny that.
Sorry but whilst Mancini was my first choice I realise that we are far too small a club for him.
He'll want Champions League.
"Let’s start with the attack. Andy Carroll missed most of the first half of the season, which is news on a par with the sun rising in the east"
;lol