The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50

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  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Don't be greedy Mrs G ;wink
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    No, we have a date for Parliament to vote for the EU Repeal Bill. The thing is the majority of Parliament will vote against it and Brexit will never happen.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    The EU repeal bill won't be discussed until after we've left not before.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    No. The EU Repeal Bill must be in place before we leave the EU and will be invoked on the day we leave. This will ensure that the UK Parliament has control over UK laws and that Europe no longer have any input. Until we leave the EU laws are to be followed.
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    edited October 2016
    I thought this was really funny, Boris to a T ;lol .

    "Meanwhile the rest of the world looks on at our pantomime politics with bemused perplexity, irritation or mockery.

    Best was the utter incredulity of the European parliament’s chief Brexit negotiator, Guy Verhofstadt, at the sheer nerve of Boris Johnson promising Turkey to be its strongest advocate for joining the EU.
    “So Boris Johnson wants to help Turkey join the EU – after he just campaigned for the UK to leave the EU on the basis that Turkey would be joining the EU in the near future,” he wrote on Facebook. Just remember all those warnings of Turks poised at our borders."

    You couldn't make it up, although where Boris is concerned you probably can.
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    NEoldiron said:


    You couldn't make it up, although where Boris is concerned you probably can don't need to.

    Fixed it ;biggrin
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Expat ;biggrin
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited October 2016
    Herb ;ok

    The Repeal Bill would only comes into law (in other words, be an Act of Parliament) once it has Royal Assent. And even when it has Royal Assent, a future date can be set for it to actually take effect.

    The 'in effect' date will have to be the day we leave the EU (that is, maximum time, 2 yrs after Article 50 invoked) otherwise there will be a massive gap in law, since all the direct effect EU legislation will have fallen away.

    Given that an Act requires 11 stages through both houses of parliament before it can get Royal Assent, I think they would be best to get started on it quite quickly. To delay getting it introduced for its first stage much after the trigger or Article 50 would be cutting it very fine.


    thorn, I think you are wrong on this.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    May said this morning that ALL EU laws current on exit will be enshrined into UK law and then the repeal bill will come into effect and then parliament can then decide which of the EU laws we ditch or leave in place.
    Maybe she got it wrong
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    thorn, I think we are on the same page ;ok

    Her comments mean (I think)

    On exit day, there will be new UK legislation on the shelf, ready to go (ie having gone through Parliament + got Royal Assent) that will effectively enshrine EU law into domestic law.

    Simultaneously, the 'old' existing EU law will be repealed.

    But both the 'repeal legislation' and 'new' legislation will have to have completed their respective Parliamentary processes, and have their Royal Assent sorted, and their 'commencement dates' synchronised.

    For that to happen, they'll be getting a wiggle on with both - can't wait to sort the repeal out until after the 'UK version of EU law' is in place, because then they'll have conflicting/overlapping statute on the books and all will be confusion.
  • MoojorMoojor
    So we want to get away from the rules and laws of the EU which are a massive drag on the country, but will be enshrining all those laws in to UK law before we leave....

    Seems like a massive waste of time....
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    Once they have been enshrined into UK Law they can then decide which ones they want and which ones they don't.
  • AdMeus_CaputFiliusAdMeus_CaputFilius
    Preston - ;ok

    That is spot on, what it essentially means is that she has pulled the rug out from under all those who are making an issue about any current EU legislation that is not already in UK law (a lot of directives and other legislation already is part of UK Law) being dumped without consideration. The decision to get rid of any can be consigned to a later date.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    working on the basis of making the best if things now the vote is made (I was a reamanier) I think her position is the best way forward.

    To negotiate the exit while also coming up with a whole new bunch of laws would have been huge and distabalisung to business.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Maybe they'll never get around to it. ;wink
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Mrs grey I do wonder where we will end up.

    Some sort of EU light, maybe with another rebate thrown in.

    I do hope they don't leave the door open for Forage to return to the debate.
  • McHammerMcHammer
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37558485

    Ukip leader going so soon.

  • claretandblueskyclaretandbluesky
    edited October 2016
    The nearest analogy I could find to describe how Theresa May looks and comes across when I listen to her is like a woman who has been ordered to smash up her own house under the threat of either you do it or we will. She is now struggling to find a way to smash the house up to an acceptable standard of the people behind her who have won the right to smash up the house, without doing so much damage that it cant be re-built later once the power has been moved away from the people forcing it through. She is trying to appear enthusiastic to convince them she will do it properly as they suspect she will want to get away with only a little surface damage, and it's working but she knows soon she must begin to swing the sledge hammer.

    Whilst in the rest of the street the other home owners can't believe we are about to smash our own house up as they know we will have to live in it afterwards.

  • SwissironSwissiron
    I dont agree. I think she wants to smash up the house and pretended not to before. Also she is looking like Thatcher but without the policies that could keep her at the helm. She's on her own walking down a narrowing path and she knows it. Obviously she can't trust Boris or any of the others, she can only sack them. I think she knows that there will have to be a General Election within two years.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    Swissiron said:

    I think she knows that there will have to be a General Election within two years.

    How exactly is that going to happen? Under the Fixed-terms Parliament Act 2011 the only way an early election can be called is if two thirds of MPs vote for it or if there are two majority votes of "no confidence" in the government.

    There are 650 MPs, two thirds is 434, the Tories have 329 so that would mean getting another 105 MPs to vote for an early election. Even if all the Lib Dems, SNP, and others backed the motion they'd still need 16 Labour MPs to get it through parliament.

    Any vote of "no confidence" would obviously need some Tories voting against their own leadership, at the moment they seem more than happy guaranteed to stay in power for another three and a half years
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Unfortunately I just can't imagine Labour being in power. ;puzzled
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    BBB - look who owns our press? The Sun and Times are owned by Murdoch, the Mail and Metro by Lord Rothermere, the Express and Star by Richard Desmond and the Telegraph by the Barclay Brothers.

    All extremely wealthy individuals who have consistently backed the Tories although Desmond did donate to UKIP last year and Murdoch backed Labour when they were under Tony Blair (Mrs Murdoch too if the rumours are true)

    The Guardian and Mirror don't have wealthy individuals as owners and surprise, surprise they tend to be slightly more critical of the Tories.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    billybondsbeard said:

    Not at the minute IH I agree, but I reckon we'll be looking for alternatives to this lot within 18 months. Feels very much like the Major government, in that it will get overtaken by events in Europe, and try to appease the baying back benchers at the same time.

    But it won't be replaced by the Labour Party as it currently stands.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    BBB. I wish I could be as optimistic as you regarding Labour but I am struggling to get there.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Both Labour and Tories are splitting themselves apart. Neither can deliver what the country needs.

    Vote Monster Raving Looney Party
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Recession. Deal with it. ;cool
  • NEoldironNEoldiron
    Grey, recession, you say, only recession? How about Armageddon? ;nonono
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited October 2016
    McHammer said:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37558485

    Ukip leader going so soon.

    Farage back in charge so soon. ;doh

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-37561065
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    It may be a touch off topic, but the implemetation of the Fixed term act of 2011 managed to pass me by at the time.

    Whose bright idea was that, I would have thought that anyone in power would rather keeep the flexibility provided by the prior system enabling you to call an early election if you feel that the winds are in your favor.

    Cannot imagine why anyone would want to give that up
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Vorselaarhammer said:

    Mrs grey I do wonder where we will end up.

    Some sort of EU light, maybe with another rebate thrown in.

    I do hope they don't leave the door open for Farage to return to the debate.

    Too late.
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