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My point is, YOU might not have read on twitter - but the folks on the 'other forum' might have. And maybe they all read the same example. And 'reported' of a case where it is hapepning. So one case, re-reported, can transform itself into a dozen. Along comes you, reads KUMB, comes here says 'at least a dozen cases' on only one other forum .. surely more elsewhere.
So a member here reads of 'a dozen cases', is also a member of NOT606. Posts on there 'loads of cases on another forum' . A NOT606 member says (based on his reading of kumb, say) adds, yeah, I saw people on another forum too, saying there were cases where that as happening, between 10 and 20.
It escalates in the re-telling, is all I'm saying.
So 2 cases (as yeold pointed out) is, before you know, exponentially increased by how many times someone refers to it on another social networking site.
I'm telling you what I know and what I have read.
One that people have made direct comments on other WHU forums that they have or know of friends who are not fans of WHU and have bought ST at the OS.
Secondly, others have written articles about it......friends...or friends of friends....
Nothing to do with twitter, these are people sharing their experiences of what they have been told, seen or know.
However the +2 was wrong imo and its helped contribute to many many long term members being pushed away with no chance of a ST....and then they are atill selling the £10 waiting list stuff....with 30,000 already on there.
Like the outrageous premium phone numbers and the disgraceful phone/booking system its a cash cow and poor on the club, in a current climate where they really don't have to do it. They already have demand, they already have record incomes and will have virtually no debt for the first time as long as we can remember.
IN MY OPINION
As for what you know and have read - I get that you are reporting this. I don't disbelieve you.
But can't you accept that the such articles do not prove this is a widespread phenomenon.
Would be interesting to know how many +1/+2's there were
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Mr G didn't think it was, at all. Probably like all of us on here, I don't understand these fans mentality but I'm almost certain it's happening.
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Secondly, (and I stand to be corrected on this) isn't it the case that no current ST holder had to take a new seat in an area 'worse' than they had before? (Forget the band number as that refers only to price, and can't be used to compare 'type' of seat). So if they got a seat as good or better than their existing UP seat, how were their seating plans 'disrupted'?
Thirdly, the Band 3+4 St holders could also take advantage of the grouping system, so would in many cases end up with a better seating plan, surely?
We moved into another part of band 4 so we could all sit together [sir_ian and #1 nephew currently sit apart from the rest of us]. As a group we took 2 others [both members]. There were a lot of seats left in all four bands, we could have moved anywhere we wanted.
I agree that +2 was an error but there is no way the club could have foreseen such a massive uptake given our previous season ticket sales history. No way the club could have known the volume of glory hunters ;wink who would want a season ticket.
There were a great number of half season tickets left in Dec 2013, buying one would have meant an automatic renewal for the last season at the Boleyn and the first at the OS. Where was every body then? Where was everybody the season when we were relegated under Roader [that's when I became a season ticket holder again].
If the club had a do over they may well consider making it +1 and asking the +1s to provide a West Ham ticket buying history to prevent fans of other clubs buying season tickets. BUT I have Arsenal, Everton, Palace and Peterborough mates who have a West ham ticket purchase history so maybe that wouldn't work.
Maybe the club are happy that a 60k ground will be full, I know I am, and wouldn't change a thing.
Those on the waiting list will eventually get one as the novelty wears off and the football is not so good and those who only go during the good times stop going...
I am however not disputing that this has happened.
I have mates who support other clubs and we often get one another tickets. We had a couple of Spurs / Palace / Citeh and Arsenal mates in the BML with us for their games. This may well be an extension of that I suppose.
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I reckon it was more
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Seriously, there have been articles/posts on a number of well know WHU forums.
One guy knows a couple of Arsenal friends, couldn't get in at the Emirates, gave up and what with their prices and got in at the OS I would imagine through the plus 2
Mrs G - if you have X amount of +1 or +2's that jump the queue in front of other current ST holders then you are bound to have SOME people who knowingly or unknowingly didn't get the seat they could of had.
Not having to take one, doesn't mean you did actually take one at all, there are also stories, again I have no reason to disbelieve where people walked out of the booking center fuming at what they were offered, this was in part a result of the extra tickets sold to non ST holders from this season, offered the chance to jump in.
If they didn't like it theirs there were sooooo many seats available all over the stadium.
The only 'problem' [for want of a better word] with this was the different shapes of the BML now and the one in the OS, meaning BML season ticket holders could not move with-in the BML as there wasn't the room.
The one that you (or someone?) posted on here from a blog.
And the reason he was fuming was, imo, utterly ridiculous.
There may be other cases of fumers. And some of them might even have what I might call legitimate grounds for fuming.
But so far, on the evidence, I'm not convinced it's more than a tiny minority.
I've never used it.
Spend all year every year saving for next years ticket.
One day I might spend my money on something else ;lol
But it doesn't score goals, save penalty's or chant.
WHU set a limit of ST holder +1 for their transfer of season ticket holders to the new stadium, and required the +1 to be able to demonstrate a prior purchase history within the last 2 season.
And the 606 forum in that universe if full of people bewailing that they can't bring both of their kids. Or that the +1 had been a season ticket holder for 15 years straight until 3 seasons ago when their work shifted them abroad for a spell and now they've come back to the UK and they can't get a ST, it's a disgrace that loyal life-long fans are pushed out by johnny-come-latelys who have only been going to games for a season and a half, and they only got the half-season ticket so they could get one for the last season at UP and the new one at the OS.
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