Dimi Payet; the Epilogue

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  • Unfortunately, 29 of them fell to Zaza ;doh ;whistle
  • WEST HAM DEFIANT OVER PAYET

    West Ham will not allow Dimitri Payet to leave for PSG in January, according to the Daily Mail.

    The French midfielder had previously hinted at a move back to Ligue 1 in the winter window, but the paper reports that the Hammers are determined to keep him in London.
  • I cant see any possibility of him being let go in January, however I cant see him not going in the Summer. I think he gave us a shot after his big Euro performance to see if we could become a club which was a home for players of his quality, but when you have that chance but bring in Tore, Nordvelt and Zsa Zsa he has got to say goodbye. He is head and shoulders above the rest of our squad. We have Reid, Cresswell, Kouyate, Lanzini and Antonio, all decent players but wouldn't get into the sides Payet could.

    We really had momentum at the end of last season and with the new stadium I think he did the right thing and said lets see what happens, but nothing happened. It's not that we have become rubbish and I fully expect Slav to survive relegation but this was the season we were meant to consolidate our first big season in years. Whether it was investment, bad luck or anything else we haven't done it and if he wants go It will be hard to keep him.
  • Haven't done it yet maybe?
  • Maybe.

    But I have come to believe that if we don't finish top 5, we won't keep him.

    Not even if we do, possibly.

    ;weep
  • The club pick a figure no one will pay, say £80m, and tell Payet and his advisers he can go if someone meets it.

    Simples.
  • I think he'll be off in January. He's 29, probably his last chance to play champions league football. If he wants to go, let him.
    The thing that concerns me is, say we get 30/35m for him do you have confidence that the money will be spent wisely? Or will it go on loan deals like Zaza, Tore, Calleri...
  • What's this 'last chance'? He's 29 and with his style of play he has 3 or 4 more years to do his thing.
  • If he wants to go, let him.
    Disagree totally.

    If we want to keep him, keep him.

    We need to take the same approach Spurs have had over recent years - keep hold of players you want, or only let them go for ridiculous amounts of money.
  • If only it were that simple...
  • edited November 2016
    Spurs managed it, as have many other clubs.

    He's on a long contract. The club can, if they insist, dictate the terms.

    Otherwise we need to resign ourselves to being, at best, a mid-table club forever.

    If that's what people are prepared to accept, fine, but then don't blame the club for lacking ambition.
  • If he wants to go and we stand in his way he then becomes a reluctant participant only bound to us by contract. I can see that degenerating into a situation that serves no one.

    Frustrating as it is, I feel the pragmatic thing to do if he wishes to leave is get the best deal we can for him.
  • Spurs managed it, as have many other clubs.

    He's on a long contract. The club can, if they insist, dictate the terms.

    Otherwise we need to resign ourselves to being, at best a mid-table club forever.

    If that's what people are prepared to accept, fine, but then don't blame the club for lacking ambition.

    Who did Spurs force to keep ? they sold Gareth Bale...
  • I think the owners will keep Payet till summer, probably tell him if you keep us up we will let you go in the summer kind of arrangement. I can't see them letting him go in January when relegation is on the cards.

    Payet should be in a team challenging for trophies and considering our last round of Summer recruitment we are a long way from ever doing that. Just hope we can get a fair whack for him 40m+ and hopefully it can be invested wisely. (I have doubts)
  • edited November 2016
    Yeold

    I said:

    We need to take the same approach Spurs have had over recent years - keep hold of players you want, or only let them go for ridiculous amounts of money.
    Yeold

    Payet should be in a team challenging for trophies
    By this logic, we will never, ever, move on.

    How about, Payet was drifting until we signed him and gave him the chance to shine, and force his way back into the French team, we deserve to get something back for that?

    We buy players, they and the team don't 'challenge for trophies', so we 'owe' them the chance to play in a more successful team.

    What's the point of banging on about the club needing to spend big on players, then saying that if they want to leave we should let them?

    Let's just buy mediocre players no one will ever want to buy, and bob along around 15th - 12th.
  • Spurs managed it whilst riding high in the top 5 year on year.

    Not the bottom five.
  • edited November 2016
    The club will lack ambition based on previous summer business. Ambition is always, IMO, judged by who you bring in, not who you lose.

    What we needed was a quality RB, a back up LB and at least one quality forward and that's about it. We could've spent £50m on three positions. We decided to spend that amount on an entire new XI, just one worse than our current one.

    That would've been the ambition. Had Payet left after that for silly money, I would have no issue with the Dave's cashing in.

    I've said for ages that our problem is that we don't generate good enough assets to recoup profit and then invest it in the squad. We rarely have a player 'worth' signing. Now we do, why would you not cash in on 5/6 times the initial outlay? The ambition comes from the players you bring in. Clubs will always lose the Dimi's of this world to the big sharks.
  • Luke

    2007-8 Spurs were never in the top half of the table after game 3, and had 7 points after 11 games, finishing 11th.

    2008-9 they had 9 points after 11 games and didn't rise above 15th until late February. finishing 8th.

    This after having finished 5th the two previous seasons.

    Success and consistency don't come easy in the PL, but if you continually let your better players go, I guarantee you they won't come at all.
  • edited November 2016
    But when they were in that 12th-8th slot what players did they have worth keeping?

    Point is when Bale became 'class', they couldn't keep him beyond two years.

    Bale was a kid at the time of 07-09, swapping between LB, LWB and LW?

    They sold both Defoe and Robbie Keane to Pompey and Liverpool respectively, who I associated with being their better players at the time?
  • They held Modric off from Chelsea untill they sold home for over £40mil
  • edited November 2016
    But again they sold him? And it was also a rival club thing. Wouldn't sell him to Chelsea full stop.

    Have only improved in the league since Bale and Modric went.
  • Yes Luke, they sold Bale and Modric when they wanted to, at the price they wanted.

    That's my point.

    They bought Keane and Defoe back again in 2008-9 for net £0 - perhaps they realised you shouldn't sell your better players?

    Put £80m on Dimi. If someone pays it, fair enough.
  • Hull are ready to give former Manchester United and West Ham midfielder Ravel Morrison a route back to the Premier League. The 23-year-old is available from Lazio for £600,000

    Payet goes for 60M and we get Rav back for 600K ;wink
  • All. Day. Long

    ;ravel
  • Morrison has played 4 games in 2 years. What has he been doing all this time?....Actually, I don't want to know.
  • Trying to repair his VCR re that tape ;wink
  • Told him not to buy Betamax ;biggrin
  • It's true that WHEN HE WANTS TO and ON HIS DAY Rav could be the only other player we have with the skill and impact of Payet - his goal against Spurs and many other flashes of genius prove that. Certainly there will be a club that will take him abnd use him to good effect even if he now seems a deadbeat - Harry and Di Canio anyone????- But why couldn't WE be that club again? Put him under Dimi's wing.. etc etc (continued whenever you like) but if Bilic didnt like Arbeloa and maybe didn't bother to try, well, what can you do . answer: we already threw away his potential value once
  • edited November 2016
    we he already threw away his potential value once several times

    Fixed it for ya! ;ok
  • £600,000 was the VAT bill on the WHU Christmas Party... in 1986.
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