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  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    edited November 2022
    For a CM who's supposed to be the heartbeat of the team and the core of it, Soucek passing is so limited its painful......

    Downes needs a run in the team, and even then he is a player who's still trying to adjust from the championship...hard to expect too much from him

    Do wonder when or if its the time to trial Fornals at CM, a lot of fans think he's got the skillset for it but Moyes obviously disagrees which I find off given he has trialed Lanzini there who is physically much weaker than Fornals
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    I think this says it all.

    West Ham players' average positions:



    Palace players' average positions:


  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Odd that Downes is included over either Scamacca or Antonio, skews things a little.
  • alderzalderz
    Yeah, I noticed that when I saw that the other day. For reference, this is what SofaScore have:



  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Look at our LW 🤦 And how bunched our players were. Little wonder our final third threat was so minimal.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    OldCastleSwift said:

    Look at our LW 🤦

    Because there's an emphasis on helping Cresswell?

  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    So is it an idea to just get a better LB?
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Not (completely 😂🤣😂) digging out Antonio for their winner, but 5 of our players had raced to join him in their box for his cross, so hardly surprising we were a little stretched elsewhere.

    Also, perhaps naive defending by Cresswell to let Olise come inside when he must have been aware that was what he wanted to do? 🤔

    The first goal was just so poor, initially with Dawson's very unsympathetic pass, secondly Kehrer's poor control, and thirdly Dawson again giving Zaha space to get in behind him unchallenged by initially facing off Eze who Soucek was coming across to intercept.

    All in all both goals completely avoidable imo.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    Fortuneseeker said:

    So is it an idea to just get a better LB?

    It's a bit left field and completely out of the blue, but might be worth considering 🤔🤔🤔😂🤣😂.

    Cresswell has just signed an extension though, which wouldn't be so bad if Emerson had displaced him in the team, but it's going to be so disappointing it we have another season and a half with Cresswell starting at LB (for me anyway). I know defensively he's not been as bad as he was at the end of last season, but that may well be because he seems to offer less and less going forward.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Those 2 graphics are quite different... Which one is right?

    Is any one of them right?
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    edited November 2022
    MrsGrey said:

    Those 2 graphics are quite different... Which one is right?

    Is any one of them right?

    I think for us they're very similar tbh, although obviously the second one has Scamacca instead of Downes.
  • LukerzLukerz
    There would have been an element of countering Palace’s threat on the break, with that deeper positional play.
  • alderzalderz
    MrsGrey said:

    Those 2 graphics are quite different... Which one is right?

    Is any one of them right?

    My understanding of positional maps is that they are based on where the players has “actions”. So, passing, dribbling, shooting, tackling, intercepting, foiling, etc.

    Sometimes sources collect different
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    buffy, There have been a few comments since our last European game that the money spent on Emerson has been wasted as Scarles should be in the team in the near future but that is only if we play three Centre Halfs.
  • alderzalderz
    Fortuneseeker said:

    buffy, There have been a few comments since our last European game that the money spent on Emerson has been wasted as Scarles should be in the team in the near future but that is only if we play three Centre Halfs.

    I’m not sure about that. I’m not convinced Emerson is the long term future, but he’s definitely a sellable asset if Scarles did step in. But Scarles isn’t even 17 yet. By the time he’s ready Emerson will be in his 30s and Cresswell will be retired.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Emerson’s done pretty well in his cameos so far
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Fortuneseeker said:

    buffy, There have been a few comments

    Who's making these comments?
  • LukerzLukerz
    See we have one of the worst shot conversion rates in the league, yet Antonio isn’t it the 11.
  • buffybegoodbuffybegood
    alderz said:

    Fortuneseeker said:

    buffy, There have been a few comments since our last European game that the money spent on Emerson has been wasted as Scarles should be in the team in the near future but that is only if we play three Centre Halfs.

    I’m not sure about that. I’m not convinced Emerson is the long term future, but he’s definitely a sellable asset if Scarles did step in. But Scarles isn’t even 17 yet. By the time he’s ready Emerson will be in his 30s and Cresswell will be retired.
    Don't be silly, Scarles will retire before Moyes stops picking Cresswell 😂🤣😂
  • OutcastLondonerOutcastLondoner
    Is Scarles actually a left back? I thought I saw someone mention he was a midfielder
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    Outcast, Yes he is, that is why I mentioned the need to play 3 CB’s.
    MrsG, Benrahma! 😉😃
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    OutcastLondoner said:

    Is Scarles actually a left back? I thought I saw someone mention he was a midfielder

    The OS has him listed as a midfielder. I'm assuming a left-sided one, who can play centrally and out wide.
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