The January Transfer Window

OutcastLondoner

Alderz, at least Dawson was for a position we could’ve done with some cover in. Lingard is baffling because of the position when we’re so desperate up front. His best form at Man U would make a difference for us, but I’m not sure whether that was just a blip. I’m just generally skeptical about the Man U players they tell us are great and who don’t really amount to anything once they go to other clubs. Let’s see.

It seems like it’s a loan though, which isn’t so bad. I’m more worried about a permanent deal when we need a striker.

eskimoking

I did not mind the Dawson one, he’s mostly been solid in the past just in bad sides. Lingard is an attacking midfielder that barely scored and barely assisted in a team far better than ours over the years.

ScotHammer

Unless we are going to dramatically improve a position ( eg. a striker) we may find it would disrupt a side who are doing well at the moment. We could find better options with what we have. Who would be dropped for Lingard?

alderz

I don’t have the answers to these questions, I’m just trying to be positive about it! As I’ve said, he wouldn’t be my favourite signing, but I feel like the manager has earned our trust in the transfer market.

ScotHammer

😀. In Moyes we trust!

ASLEFshrugged

I'll be honest I don't see why we need Lingard on loan, we've got more than enough options LW/AM/RW.

eskimoking

Alders, I like your attitude to be positive. I’m happy with Moyes, and I will give Lingard a fresh chance if he joins. However, I don’t think it is conversely negative to say we don’t approve of a signing especially when the player has been underwhelming for such a long time. It’s neither positive or negative, it is what it is.

OldCastleSwift

I mean, if it was Lingard and let's say King and Lundstam, then I'd be ok with it. As I said yesterday, it's not Lingard himself necessarily (although I don't particularly rate him); it's more that it's not a priority position and doesn't really improve the first eleven.

ASLEFshrugged

The Guardian reckon we'd make Benrahma's deal permanent in order to make space for Lingard's loan

I'd rather sign Dawson, I think he's clearly demonstrated that he can play at this level while from what Moyes said in his press conference yesterday the jury is still out on Benrahma

ScotHammer

Does anyone know if Lingard has ever played at all as a striker?

alderz

ASLEFshrugged said:

The Guardian reckon we'd make Benrahma's deal permanent in order to make space for Lingard's loan

I'd rather sign Dawson, I think he's clearly demonstrated that he can play at this level while from what Moyes said in his press conference yesterday the jury is still out on Benrahma

I guess if we have an obligation to sign Benrahma (as was reported) then it doesn't really matter if he's proven it or not.

alderz

ScotHammer said:

Does anyone know if Lingard has ever played at all as a striker?

This is from a couple of pages back

alderz said:

OutcastLondoner said:

What position does he even play? I’d say he was closest to Fornals but then...we have Fornals.

According to Transfermarkt, he has made 50 league appearances as a right winger, 38 as a central attacking midfielder, 14 as a left winger, 11 as a 'second striker' (which, tbh, I see as largely the same as attacking midfield). 47 appearances have been from the bench so they don't get a position attached.

ScotHammer

Thanks Alderz. Everything except what we need then!

alderz

I think Lukerz made the point a while back, but there is a difference between cover and quality. Yes, Yarmo is a right winger, but he's also been abysmal for us for a while. He's not really sufficient for Bowen, IMO.

There is obviously a conversation to be had about whether Lingard is any better than Yarmo. I'm on the fence but happy to trust Moyes on this one.

ScotHammer

I’m not saying he is or isn’t better than what we have, but that we are covered in those positions. I agree we should trust Moyes at this point.

yoyo

Moyes said he wants a "run behind and into space" type striker and not a hold up man. I guess he must see this in him. I'm pretty much 50-50 about this signing if it happens but trust Moyes must surely have a plan ( that's of course if it's his signing and not G&S)

thornburyiron

The thing I’m struggling a bit to understand is if Utd are prepared to let him go out on loan to get some regular football then that suggests that Moyes must be ready to play him instead of someone but who?
Of course it may all be media talk.

Brother_Sledge

I guess if Lingard is on loan then Man U won't need to be making a gentleman's agreement for the cup game

thornburyiron

If Chelsea want Tuchel in place before tomorrow’s game is he going to get special dispensation to not have to isolate or quarantine

alderz

thornburyiron said:

If Chelsea want Tuchel in place before tomorrow’s game is he going to get special dispensation to not have to isolate or quarantine

Maybe he's been isolating in London for the past week? Maybe that's why they waited to sack Frank after an FA Cup win?

thornburyiron

According to SSN

West Ham are in the process of converting Said Benrahma’s loan from Brentford into a permanent move.

The permanent fee is around £20m, plus add ons, and is likely to be paid in installments.

Benrahma joined West Ham in October on loan with an agreement to make it permanent once issues that showed up in his medical were sorted.

Once Benrahma’s deal is made permanent, West Ham will free up a loan space in their squad.

Premier League clubs are allowed four domestic loans over the course of a season, but only two are permitted to be in the squad at any one time.

Currently, West Ham have two domestic loans – Watford’s Craig Dawson and Benrahma.

The Hammers have made a loan enquiry for Manchester United forward Jesse Lingard.

Fortuneseeker

thornburyiron said:

If Chelsea want Tuchel in place before tomorrow’s game is he going to get special dispensation to not have to isolate or quarantine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-9187489/Incoming-Chelsea-manager-Thomas-Tuchel-ESCAPE-quarantine-attend-matches-training.html

This explains the situation, I think.

baracks_a_hammer

IMO I don’t think the proposed move for lingard to us is as far progressed as it is made out to be. There only appears to have been an enquiry by us. So others too might have enquired and indeed Man Utd haven’t formally sanctioned anything?

I read somewhere that Man Utd might be wanting a loan fee too - that would probably knock us out of the running (rightly too IMO).

ianbishoplegend

I would be well chuffed with Lingard - busy/hard working player that is good in the dressing room. I think he would get a few goals for us

Yeoldhammer

Sounds like Benrahma is being made permanent so the Lingard transfer sounds very true

Cuz1

thornburyiron said:

According to SSN

West Ham are in the process of converting Said Benrahma’s loan from Brentford into a permanent move.

The permanent fee is around £20m, plus add ons, and is likely to be paid in installments.

Benrahma joined West Ham in October on loan with an agreement to make it permanent once issues that showed up in his medical were sorted.

Once Benrahma’s deal is made permanent, West Ham will free up a loan space in their squad.

Premier League clubs are allowed four domestic loans over the course of a season, but only two are permitted to be in the squad at any one time.

Currently, West Ham have two domestic loans – Watford’s Craig Dawson and Benrahma.

The Hammers have made a loan enquiry for Manchester United forward Jesse Lingard.

The scary thing is they going to trust us on instalments 😂😂

alderz

I don't think it's been mentioned her yet, but the BBC Gossip Column has us linked with Edin Dzeko.

Cuz1

Has been

IronHerb

Still scored 7 in 15 this season, in a good league. Ideal interim striker.

baracks_a_hammer

By no means as disastrous as signing the likes of nasri or Evra. At least he is performing well at the highest level. I would say he’s a more suitable player for us than Haller in the short term. But only an interim solution.