The 'Couldn't think where to put this' thread part 2 or 'does my comment merit a NEW THREAD?'

Expat_Hammer

IronHerb said:

Where's the sink? :puzzled:

Even more importantly, WHAT's a sink :puzzled:

ASLEFshrugged

https://twitter.com/BolsoverBeast/status/1153663215848566785

BubblesNeverDies

Grey, on behalf of MrsGrey, for your last comment :fishslap:

:biggrin:

MrsGrey

So said Boris, when the Labour Party elected a new leader while in government.

Expat_Hammer

So gormless gordon had set a precedent with Boris merely following it

baracks_a_hammer

It’s all very well mocking previous quotes but as of now we have no idea if he will call an early general election. He may well do.

OldCastleSwift

Sorry Mrs G, are you implying that Johnson's a hypocrite as well as a liar, a racist, a homophobe and a misogynist?

Because that would almost make him unelectable.

But sadly only almost.

MrsGrey

ex/baracks

My own personal view is that a party choosing a new leader according to their own constitution is perfectly fine. Whether that party is in government or not.

However, I'd like to know if Boris still is of the view that doing so is a 'gigantic fraud'. If not, why not. If yes, he should probably call a general election asap and stop trampling on the 'democratic will of the British people'.

Or else it is he who is the gigantic fraud.

Which is an eye-opener, I know.

baracks_a_hammer

The following is a quote from the much revered Winston Churchill re: the Bengal famine

“The starvation of anyway underfed Bengalis is less serious than that of sturdy Greeks”

My point being is that you will struggle to find any political leader who is completely flawless

OldCastleSwift

You'll struggle to find anyone who is flawless.

But you would hope that the person in charge of running the country would demonstrate much more integrity and diplomacy than Johnson has so far in his political career.

baracks_a_hammer

Theresa May displayed all of that in abundance but her legacy as a leader does not read well in the eyes of many

BJ should now be judged on what he does in office.

OldCastleSwift

But he is. He is widely considered as the worse Foreign Secretary in living memory. He is on record as calling the French "a highly offensive term". He has effectively condemned a British citizen to 5 years in an Iranian prison.

He was hopeless in his previous governmental role, and I have absolutely no doubt that he'll be hopeless in his next one; which given what he is now in charge of overseeing, is frankly terrifying.

baracks_a_hammer

Yet 52% though he did a good job as mayor of London v 29% who thought he didn’t. That’s the problem, if a view is already made up on someone, only the bad points will be raised. A bit like a surveyors report for a house purchase.

Oh and about the French - whatever he said about them (which absolutely wasn’t good at all) hasn’t stopped macron supposedly being keen to meet him

SuzanneClaret

I will indeed judge him by what he does on office.

Will he look at nurses being paid so little they have to use food banks to feed their children whilst politicians eat as in heavily subsidised first class dinning rooms?

I wonder too if he will do an about face on his homophobia, misogyny, racism and sexism. Will he stop lying and apologise for misleading the county prior to the Brexit vote.

I live in hope although breath holding I will not be doing.

OldCastleSwift

Being London Mayor is a very different proposition. He only had to think about London.

As Foreign Secretary and, more so as PM, he'll have to consider the demands of England, Scotland, Wales, NI, Europe, the US, Russia, China... I could go on, but my point is that managing the expectations of one City - as diverse as it is - is nothing compared to what he has to face now and, frankly, much less important.

grey_til_I_dye

baracks

But negative views about Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson are based on abundant evidence, including evidence of when he was serving in political office.

I see no reason to assume that what produced his many personal and political failings will miraculously become a thing of the past.

MrsGrey

baracks_a_hammer said:

Theresa May displayed all of that in abundance but her legacy as a leader does not read well in the eyes of many

Because those qualities are the bare minimum, and not the only thing used to judge performance.

baracks_a_hammer

So let’s all side with Corbyn then?

The one who

Opposed Britain’s original membership of the European communities

Opposed Maastricht

Opposed Lisbon

Backed a referendum on a British eu withdrawal in 2011

And now would vote to remain in the EU (well that’s today’s stance anyway)

This is a man who IMO likely cares not a jot for either remain or leave. He cares only for any means of getting into Downing Street and rolling out Venezuela mark 2.

SuzanneClaret

As London Mayor.

"This Mayor takes his promises to Londoners extremely seriously. Every station that has a ticket office will continue to have one.”

"The first and most important point to make is that no ticket offices will be closed, alright? They're not going to be closed...”

"The answer to the number of ticket office closures is: nil."



Ticket offices were closed across the network.

SuzanneClaret

barracks, its not an either or situation.

I can have a negative opinion of Boris as PM (all evidence suggests that he is not fit for office) without needing to qualify it against my opinion of Corbin.

Who incidentally I wouldn't want as PM either.

baracks_a_hammer

And it doesn’t stop at BJ or Corbyn

We cold look at Swinson - the supposed alternative choice for disaffected lab/con voters

She who accepted donations from a fracking company yet then lines up alongside extinction rebellion

And who stood shoulder to shoulder with Gideon as austerity brought about slashes to disability payments

Hamstew

Dodger58

The real issue is you pay peanuts, you get monkeys.

OldCastleSwift

baracks_a_hammer said:

So let’s all side with Corbyn then?

The one who

Opposed Britain’s original membership of the European communities

Opposed Maastricht

Opposed Lisbon

Backed a referendum on a British eu withdrawal in 2011

And now would vote to remain in the EU (well that’s today’s stance anyway)

This is a man who IMO likely cares not a jot for either remain or leave. He cares only for any means of getting into Downing Street and rolling out Venezuela mark 2.

Don't assume that because people oppose Johnson they automaticlly back Corbyn. Personally I don't like or trust what I know of either of them.

I don't think there's been a single politician I've known since my Politics A level studies that I've agreed with on everything they've said or stood for; it would be almost impossible for anyone to do so. They can't be everything to everyone.

But Johnson, IMO at least, has displayed the very worst attitudes and behaviours of any 'mainstream' politician that I can remember in my adult life.

whupathman

Vote suz

Barney

Corbyn must be a very balanced politician because he is always sitting on the fence and failing to make decisions. I don't think Boris is ideal for the longer term but I have some hope that Brexit will get sorted at least. Where are the good politicians?

baracks_a_hammer

Quite some statement your last paragraph, OCS. But each to their own I guess. Looks to me that regardless of what he might be able to accomplish in office, the jury of OCS has already delivered its verdict and sentenced him.

Personally I hope there are many more out there who might be sceptics but who will wait and see how this plays out.

Hamstew

whupathman said:

Vote suz

Vote :clown:

...oh people already did.

OldCastleSwift

Yes, delivered its verdict based on his performances in his previous political offices, as that's all I have to go on.

What are your opinions of his performance as Foreign Secretary and his role in the Leave campaign?

grey_til_I_dye

baracks

I don't really understand this 'we should give him a chance' position.

In any interview for any job, past performance in similar positions is likely to be a factor. For public office, personal behaviour will also be a consideration.

I don't see how anyone could look at Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson's track record, and not conclude that he is personally and politically woefully unsuited to be PM.