The board may very well give the manager the final say - none of us really know. But if the choice the manager is given is " we know you need 3 players, but you can only have Carlos Kickaball from Peru, because thats all we can afford this window, yes or no ?" Thats a different scenario IMO. Thats like saying that there were never Sully signings in the past.
OCS, I interpret it to mean 'the manager has a veto' kind of thing. ;hmm
Also, I'm (fairly) sure that they have acknowledged in the past that some of the signings haven't worked out? So DGs tweet isn't the only and the final word on the subject.
But I do agree that either he should close down his tweeter account or get the PR dept to come up with some standard (diplomatic? anodyne?) responses and just trot those out in the same way that politicians do, without actually answering the question or addressing the issue that has been raised. (Actually, I don't think he should do that. I think he should step away from social media. I don't know why he puts himself through it, tbh.)
I'd be surprised if Moyes said no to Dendonker considering our previous lack of a DM (was available, wanted to come to West Ham, we didn't match the price).
MarkNobleLocalHero - the same way as they do now; on any platform they can. I will refrain from responding in the same way as your reply comes across to me.
Why would they be rattled by a bunch of supporters who rely on others to fund their great day out and who think they are the best thing since sliced bread? We have owners who made their own fortune. Afaik they didn't inherit it or win it, the made it themselves.
"We hope they'll be adopting a more conciliatory tone than previously, but if we don't like their attitude or what they have to say to us we'll get up and walk out."
To me that comes across as extremely arrogant. Do what we like or else we will throw our toys out of the pram and shout insults at you. bfs had a word for that. Deluded, I think it was.
Why would they be rattled by a bunch of supporters who rely on others to fund their great day out and who think they are the best thing since sliced bread?
A sweeping generalisation if ever there was one. Where does this hatred of our own come from?
Herb - not what I said. But a bit more respect would be appreciated. We are not involved in any of the business dealings, yet some fans, when they don't get what they think they deserve/want, claim everything that comes out of their mouths is lies.
hh - no hatred whatsoever. But a group calling themselves "real hammers" implies that anyone who is not in their group is ipso facto no "real hammer". That kind of approach is certainly one I don't want to be associated with.
Then, if I want to stage some protest I need to finance it from within the group and not by asking others to pay for it.
And a lot of the stuff aimed at them is just pure vitriol. It is easy to manage from your couch and it seems it is even easier to spend other peoples' money. But god beware they might be asked to pull their finger out and make their own fortube
Just popped back to say sorry Munich but I respectfully disagree with pretty everything you’ve written.
This group isn’t about results it’s also not about any kind of personal success, it’s about long term WHU fans who’ve invested a lot of time and money following the club over many many years, not like you and me (in the main last 15 years for me) from our armchair, it’s about a group of people who believe they’ve been sold more than one lie by the owners, they’re also probably kicking themselves if the truth be known that they allowed themselves to be led away from UP far too easily and were sold a dream
So, they setup funding, nobody is forced to contribute but my guess is that the majority of donations where from people part of the 14k on Facebook, anything Left over from funds required for posters, flyers etc will be going to the Isla fund for that poor little girl. It has been funded from within the group.
If that's how some if you feel, fair enough. I don't! True, I don't get to London often enogh, never mind watching any games (certainly not since Sky Germany lost the rights) but I object to some of the stuff the owners are being subjected to and I object to one group claiming anyone not in their group is not a real fan.
I might not agree with everything that the owners do but in my opinion the only way forward is true dialogue. Not the kind of "if they tell us anything we don't like ..." kind of stuff. That is nothing less than blackmail.
Just sounds like north bank,south bank west side, the chicken run I once had a t-shirt The chicken run West Ham Last stand Big deal deal ;sbrew ;clap Just coz one group of fans wish demonstrated, doesn’t mean the rest are less of fans or supporters “in my humble opinion “ coyi
All protest groups and political parties are funded by people who align themselves with the aims of the group. The money is given freely to help formulate a means of asserting pressure on the current base of power. They are not spending tax payers money they are spending money offered for the exact purpose they have stated before asking for donations, in this case to coordinate a protest march.
I can understand you disagreeing with the reasons they wish to protest as we all have differing opinions, but it's hard to criticise them funding their activity through their group membership as otherwise the Labour party and all political parties are in big trouble if there is something fundamentally wrong in fund raising through membership.
But in my eyes funding something throzgh membership fees is something different to setting up a go fund me page or something like that.
But regardless of that, I think there needs to be more respect. If I were one of the Daves, would I want to meet up with people who abuse me about what I do to my plaything? I am not entirely sure. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors at the club. We simply assume. And yet anybody and his dog could do a better job at it.
" We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors at the club. We simply assume". Munich its not all assumptions - we can read the club accounts for a start. They are due out at the end of this month BTW.
Not our board but a lovely moment all the same, the day Dave Whelan unveiled a statue of himself Dave Whelan holding the FA Cup that he won, outside the Dave Whelan stadium.
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But if the choice the manager is given is " we know you need 3 players, but you can only have Carlos Kickaball from Peru, because thats all we can afford this window, yes or no ?"
Thats a different scenario IMO.
Thats like saying that there were never Sully signings in the past.
Also, I'm (fairly) sure that they have acknowledged in the past that some of the signings haven't worked out? So DGs tweet isn't the only and the final word on the subject.
But I do agree that either he should close down his tweeter account or get the PR dept to come up with some standard (diplomatic? anodyne?) responses and just trot those out in the same way that politicians do, without actually answering the question or addressing the issue that has been raised. (Actually, I don't think he should do that. I think he should step away from social media. I don't know why he puts himself through it, tbh.)
We have owners who made their own fortune. Afaik they didn't inherit it or win it, the made it themselves. To me that comes across as extremely arrogant. Do what we like or else we will throw our toys out of the pram and shout insults at you.
bfs had a word for that. Deluded, I think it was.
;wahoo
coyi ;barrera ;goal
Did we win ;biggrin
hh - no hatred whatsoever. But a group calling themselves "real hammers" implies that anyone who is not in their group is ipso facto no "real hammer".
That kind of approach is certainly one I don't want to be associated with.
Then, if I want to stage some protest I need to finance it from within the group and not by asking others to pay for it.
And a lot of the stuff aimed at them is just pure vitriol. It is easy to manage from your couch and it seems it is even easier to spend other peoples' money. But god beware they might be asked to pull their finger out and make their own fortube
This group isn’t about results it’s also not about any kind of personal success, it’s about long term WHU fans who’ve invested a lot of time and money following the club over many many years, not like you and me (in the main last 15 years for me) from our armchair, it’s about a group of people who believe they’ve been sold more than one lie by the owners, they’re also probably kicking themselves if the truth be known that they allowed themselves to be led away from UP far too easily and were sold a dream
So, they setup funding, nobody is forced to contribute but my guess is that the majority of donations where from people part of the 14k on Facebook, anything Left over from funds required for posters, flyers etc will be going to the Isla fund for that poor little girl.
It has been funded from within the group.
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I don't really know why, since the site rules/ethos are long established, and there's an announcement on the front page.
Don't make personal comments towards other users.
If you can't disagree with someone without having a dig, don't post.
True, I don't get to London often enogh, never mind watching any games (certainly not since Sky Germany lost the rights) but I object to some of the stuff the owners are being subjected to and I object to one group claiming anyone not in their group is not a real fan.
I might not agree with everything that the owners do but in my opinion the only way forward is true dialogue. Not the kind of "if they tell us anything we don't like ..." kind of stuff. That is nothing less than blackmail.
I once had a t-shirt
The chicken run
West Ham
Last stand
Big deal deal ;sbrew ;clap
Just coz one group of fans wish demonstrated, doesn’t mean the rest are less of fans or supporters “in my humble opinion “
coyi
I can understand you disagreeing with the reasons they wish to protest as we all have differing opinions, but it's hard to criticise them funding their activity through their group membership as otherwise the Labour party and all political parties are in big trouble if there is something fundamentally wrong in fund raising through membership.
But regardless of that, I think there needs to be more respect. If I were one of the Daves, would I want to meet up with people who abuse me about what I do to my plaything? I am not entirely sure. We have no idea what is going on behind closed doors at the club. We simply assume. And yet anybody and his dog could do a better job at it.
Munich its not all assumptions - we can read the club accounts for a start.
They are due out at the end of this month BTW.
https://www.wiganathletic.com/news/2016/november/dave-whelan-statue-unveiled/