The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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Mrs G. The ideas of Western society, The EU being a big part of that, have caused the economic turmoil and the austerity it has engendered. The ideas of the free market and free movement have trampled over (and at the expense of) any other prevailing ideology valid or not. The EU has been a vast economic and social experiment which has led us and the rest of Europe to the edge of an abyss. I would say absolutely categorically that the mess that we are now faced with is due in large part to the blinkered approach of The EU. It has failed miserably to listen to peoples concerns for years and ploughed its own ideological furrow without ever stopping and thinking. This is why we are where we are at now, and not just in this country. If the EU is such a roaring success why are so many people disenchanted. This is not just a UK problem , it is Europe wide. The EU as it currently stands will disintegrate.
NE. Have you thought just for one moment that the iceberg you talk of may be The EU.
We can't know what is in people's hearts.
I'm saying that I can't think how anyone with openly racist views could vote for anything other than Leave.
It's not really that important anyway, since no one is saying that 'Leavers are racist', so it's a bit of a sideline.
At one time I thought that the ideals of The EU were great, but as The EU has got bigger and bigger, as its powers have become more centralised, as its "one size fits all" policies have trampled over alternate ideas and vulnerable Europeans, I have become increasingly frustrated. The EU should serve its people, but its people are revolting, it is no coincidence that the people most vociferous in support of The EU, big business and big money, are the ones most vocal in saving The EU as it currently stands. If nothing else that tells me that The EU is looking after the wrong people.
It was worded in this way to show that you don`t have to be a shaven headed, card carrying thug to be a racist. Some of the most racist, selfish, small minded, unchristian people I have ever met would be considered (under popular norms) to be "decent" people. An old neighbour of ours "did wonderful work for the church" but I think on passing she will be decidedly disappointed at the pearly gates if God has anything about him at all.
I didn`t doubt that for a minute Mrs G. I thought after 75 pages we had overcome the myth that all racists voted leave. All overt racists may well have voted leave, but there would be plenty of middle England racists that voted remain. I don`t know why the racist card keeps raising its head.
I think that for some Leavers to ignore the racist element of the Leave vote (and parts of its campaign) is either naive or disingenuous, and using the 'well your saying we're all racist' card is a cheap rhetorical trick with no basis in fact.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38227674
The statement seems to be a popular one and one that goes unchallenged when quite obviously the statement is a nonsense.
And please show me which leavers have chosen to ignore the racist element of the leave campaign.
However, I'm not going to discuss it further, as I see it as a peripheral issue that I have had my say on. You've seen what I've written and will have to be satisfied, or otherwise, with that.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38233852
Oh, wait a minute, let me actually read that ;hmm
A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a credible Opposition. ;doh
#shameonthem
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/10/arron-banks-man-who-bought-brexit
A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a credible Opposition. ;doh
#shameonthem
Gary Linikers twitter feed.
The only current credible opposition.
suz ;ok (And in this instance, Ken Clarke ;puzzled )
We are doomed..... ;doh
A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a credible Opposition. ;doh
#shameonthem
or they respected the referendum result ?
The issue isn't about respecting the result, it is about holding the government to account for how it goes about implementing it, and securing a voice/representation for all their constituents (those who voted leave and those who voted remain) in that process. The former is the job of the opposition, and the latter is the job of all MPs.
Dear Parliament. Please see below our plan. Thanks. The Government.
Government Plan
Send article 50 notification - end March.
Meetings with EU exit comnittee - April onwards.
Aim: get best deal possible while securing control over immigration.
Deadline: Christmas 2018.
Jan - March 2019, get 'big Bill' through Parliament.
;beer