Actually AKA he does sometimes provide good examples of scenarios.....in order to back his point up..but on this occassin he was flat out on the wind up.
jay, I think the issue is because now at this late in the season, Spurs are challenging Leicester for the title. I don't know how they allocate refs - but if they simply do randomly by some computer programme, they maybe programme in all the 'prohibitions' at the start of the season and then let the computer do its thing every week?
He would have been barred from reffing any Leicester games from the get-go, but presumably they wouldn't have know that Spurs and Leics would be rivals at this late stage... so wouldn't have programmed a ban for him at the start...
Yeh u r correct, I have now read another article. So he's a supposed Leicester supporter and spurs were worried or their fans started on Twitter that they have a ref who wants Leicester to win the league etc... Mmm... Appointments for games are made on Mondays so they knew the league positions before the appointments, if they had any worry about this they should not have appointed him for that game to start with, IMO they have bowed down to pressure / covering themselves incase Friend had made a real mess of the game and robbed spurs etc. It just would have been wiser in 1st place to appoint a different ref....
I agree that in retrospect it might have been better to name someone else from the off, but then you could just as easily argue that it showed they had full confidence in his ability and probity.
Grey, but now they have removed him from the game shows that they do not have the faith... Does this also mean that ref & Sunderland supporter Jonathan Moss should not be allowed to ref any games relating to other teams at bottom, think it's a poor decision to start with and perhaps even poorer to remove him from the spurs game ;ok
I think I am right in saying the ref for the Cup Final against Liverpool was changed because the originally appointed ref came fro the Wirral. There was no suggestion he might be biased and I doubt he was never appointed to ref other Everton or Liverpool matches!
Personally I think it would be a good start if after the game the ref had to step out to the press and answer their questions. He could then explain his point of view on situations and might, in some instances actually admit he got it wrong. THAT would help a lot in getting their respect back.
;clap Munich. I must admit, despite being on the receiving end of countless dubious decisions this season, which has honestly led me in to doubting my own sanity at times, I do actually feel for the refs. They are asked to make snap decisions in an atmosphere of intimidation, gamesmanship and down right cheating, and will make mistakes, this is why some type of video assistance is needed. I can`t see any other way, refs need help. But equally refs should be held accountable, a post game press conference is a great idea. ;ok
I don't have strong views either way - but if the refs were asked to give reasons for their decisions after the event, I think it should be a written statement, rather than a public Q+A.
If it were done as a press conference-type thing, I think there should be no follow-up questions. Imagine if a question is asked about (say) why he awarded a penalty. Ref answers. That's it - asked and answered. No good disagreeing and wrangling and arguing he got it wrong, recriminations and accusations etc. The press conferences would take hours as every decision would be questioned, and we have the 'well if you gave that why didn't you give the other thing at the other end as it was worse/the same/just like one you gave in the match last week/just like the one AN Other ref gave in the match elsewhere......
I reckon that's why the PL/FA won't ever put the refs out to the press. It would be a shambles. They could maybe release the refs match reports, or something like that.
If the governing bodies would genuinely tell the referees to apply the rules including showing dissent, intimidation and foul and abusive language I think there would be a massive improvement overnight.
It would need to be flagged up to the clubs well in advance. It could lead to some red cards initially and would require some nerve from refs. The governing bodies would have to back them too.
After a short while the advantage would be clearly gained by the teams that respected the ref and played by the rules.
At the moment there are clear advantages to cheating, simulation, intimidation so teams continue to do it. Whilst that is the case the job is almost impossible for the refs and will lead to more incorrect decisions and disputes imo.
This season we seem to have had the rough end of the stick. Of course we are biased and probably only look for the times when we were hard done by. We are less likely to analyse the times when we may have gained an advantage incorrectly.
The only trouble with having the refs apply the laws to the letter is they'll have to have 24-hour round the clock protection from angry fans. ;biggrin
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So they want people to generat reaction and it doesn't matter if that is fact.
The Zeig Hail is just rag that I wouldn't want my fish and chips in.
Match made in heaven.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/36042805
He would have been barred from reffing any Leicester games from the get-go, but presumably they wouldn't have know that Spurs and Leics would be rivals at this late stage... so wouldn't have programmed a ban for him at the start...
;hmm
So he's a supposed Leicester supporter and spurs were worried or their fans started on Twitter that they have a ref who wants Leicester to win the league etc...
Mmm...
Appointments for games are made on Mondays so they knew the league positions before the appointments, if they had any worry about this they should not have appointed him for that game to start with, IMO they have bowed down to pressure / covering themselves incase Friend had made a real mess of the game and robbed spurs etc.
It just would have been wiser in 1st place to appoint a different ref....
I think he is definitely a Leicester supporter.
I agree that in retrospect it might have been better to name someone else from the off, but then you could just as easily argue that it showed they had full confidence in his ability and probity.
Does this also mean that ref & Sunderland supporter Jonathan Moss should not be allowed to ref any games relating to other teams at bottom, think it's a poor decision to start with and perhaps even poorer to remove him from the spurs game ;ok
There was no suggestion he might be biased and I doubt he was never appointed to ref other Everton or Liverpool matches!
If it were done as a press conference-type thing, I think there should be no follow-up questions. Imagine if a question is asked about (say) why he awarded a penalty. Ref answers. That's it - asked and answered. No good disagreeing and wrangling and arguing he got it wrong, recriminations and accusations etc. The press conferences would take hours as every decision would be questioned, and we have the 'well if you gave that why didn't you give the other thing at the other end as it was worse/the same/just like one you gave in the match last week/just like the one AN Other ref gave in the match elsewhere......
I reckon that's why the PL/FA won't ever put the refs out to the press. It would be a shambles. They could maybe release the refs match reports, or something like that.
The game has too much money and too much at stake and open to a global audience.
They probably go home and evaluate themselves anyway, cringe at some of the mistskes they made.
John Moss should be doing that today when he sees Carroll taking the ball and it was nothing more than a coming together.
There again he did this to us last year when someone was desperate
http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/35720533 from 13:43
Keith Hackett!
Pontificating about poor reffing?
In a game involving us?
;angry ;angry ;angry
;whistle ;lol ;lol ;lol
It would need to be flagged up to the clubs well in advance. It could lead to some red cards initially and would require some nerve from refs. The governing bodies would have to back them too.
After a short while the advantage would be clearly gained by the teams that respected the ref and played by the rules.
At the moment there are clear advantages to cheating, simulation, intimidation so teams continue to do it. Whilst that is the case the job is almost impossible for the refs and will lead to more incorrect decisions and disputes imo.
This season we seem to have had the rough end of the stick. Of course we are biased and probably only look for the times when we were hard done by. We are less likely to analyse the times when we may have gained an advantage incorrectly.