The UK is Out - New PM - and whither now for Article 50
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http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/news/article-2094769/Workers-1950s-worked-longer-hours-tougher-conditions-holiday--happier-now.html
If anything with technology advancement now working conditions should improve with flexible working times for parents who can work from home, more tech to save on the hard manual labour, more improvements in design and manufacturing to keep costs down.
Also the union figures are still pretty high and having to travel on a line that is affected by the southern rail issues I feel the pain of the unions on a daily basis. People are living longer so it is only logical that they are working longer, and how lucky that we now have soft jobs that people can do compared to the hard labour jobs of years gone by. Unpaid internships are about to be reviewed, and small businesses now have to provide a pension option.
With the ability for easy communication and for issues to go viral I can only see works rights being improved in the future which is a good thing. Apart from zero hour contracts, which although I don't like they do allow for people to be employed who might otherwise have not been, do you have any evidence that it is getting worse for workers?
Why give hand me downs to your younger siblings when again it is all so cheap. Kids these days don't have any concept on the worth of something and just want what mainstream media says they should want. No child needs an iPhone yet plenty have them.
I try to shop local when I can and I would also like to see the government do more to even the playing field between small and big buisnesses. Why do big companies get better tax breaks than small ones? They already have the advantage of economies of scale when buying so it is unfair to then hit the little guys more. So we may lose a few businesses (unlikely) but even if we do the smaller ones will step up and be happy to do so.
You implied criticism of the power of the unions is from the point of view of a consumer, not a worker in that sector.
The power of the unions has been massively reduced and membership is massively reduced. Say what you like as an outsider, but this has had a negative impact on workers ability to negotiate for improved pay and conditions.
Longevity is irrelevant to your initial argument that workers have never had it so good: having to work until they are older before they can retire and draw a pension is not an improvement for them.
Whatever the arguments for why they should do so.
changes in working patterns and conditions might (depending on the criteria you use to judge) mean work is 'easier', people are unhappier and more stressed as a result of their work. Not, imo, a particularly desirable state of affairs.
Believe you me myself and tons at southern railway also feel the pain and its definitely not because of unions, its because of fat cats lining their pockets trying to make a profit and putting zero zilch nothing not one iota of money back into making the railways any good.
Mrs G, I agree, I tend to think (disregarding official figures) that the lot of the average worker has actually got worse over the past few decades. People are tending to feel pressured into working longer and harder, first in the office, last out, no lunch etc etc and this is openly applauded and encouraged. And zero hours contracts are a joke. I actually think in the language you use, Yeold uses, Tom uses and NE uses we are all singing from the same hymn book, but are just on different pages.
About a 150 years ago there was a strain of thought that looked at the advances in technology, mechanisation, agriculture etc and came to the conclusion that in the future (and they proposed the very near future) that society could be organised in a way that none of us would have to work more than 4 or 5 hours a day. Well the manpower is there, the technology is certainly there, what went wrong? They must be absolutely laughing their socks off.
Yeold, you appear to be agitating for the dual principles of "getting rid of the fat cats" and the benefits of public (common) ownership. ;ok
Mods ;ok
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-37857785
In then we will agree another rebate and this will be put to bed...
Not sure I understand. ;hmm
A reminder/plea to allposters ... please don't blockquote for the sake of it, or blockquote reams of stuff that doesn't need to be repeated. As a courtesy to other readers and to avoid filling up the page.
Ta very muchly.
If you are worried that your comment is on a different page to he thing you are commenting on, you can link to it without blockquoting, but right-clicking on the timestamp and choose copy link location. ;ok
As soon as I realised the referendum wasn't binding I thought this may become an election issue.
Basically giving the country another chance to vote on the exit.
Farage is currently acting leader of UKIP, and has had his say.
I won't post it here, as I don't want to give him and his ilk the oxygen of publicity. ;biggrin
I agree an early election is a greater possibility now, since the Article 50 parliamentary process could pave the way for a no-confidence vote.
Mrs G. I have just learned to do the quote someone else thing, which is why I am using it so liberally, please don`t take away my fun. I also learned how to do:
THIS ^^^^^
recently but that soon lost its allure.
MadCap - I have nothing but admiration for the way you are using the quote function. Careful selection of relevant and pithy points ;ok
Edit - you're joking about the Pentagon, right? ;puzzled
Wonder what the Seig Heil front page will be tomorrow. I bet they mention Migrants / Muslims or Cancer...
Mrs Grey I will start with you. In my opinion there are two different things happening for workers and I may not have been clear in my earlier posts. If I split into two different groups I think we may be on more common ground.
Working conditions - I would much rather be working today than 50 plus years ago as I do feel we have better working conditions and rights.
Working culture - On the other hand I also accept that the work life balance has got worse. Most families need two incomes now to survive and there is ever increasing pressure to work late or stay connected through technology which detracts from our day to day lives.
A quick link to gov figures showing a big decline in worker deaths compared to 50 years ago - http://www.hse.gov.uk/statistics/pdf/fatalinjuries.pdf
I was commenting more on the conditions not culture. Maybe I was being too simplistic, but I would hope all agree there has been improvement there.
Yeold I do actually believe that services like transport should be government run so that there can be national and local infrastructure put in place that links in and works well. The only problem is if the Government can do this better that the private sector. I think that there is a lot of waste in public services, but at the same time key infrastructure and services should be outside of markets/profitability making and in the interests of the nation. However would we all be prepared to pay the tax needed for these to be run how we would want?
Madcap I wouldn't trust me either
Finally, Swiss what minority??? I am pretty sure it was the majority that voted to leave. Far too often those 17.5m people are dismissed and uneducated idiots that got it wrong just because those that wanted to remain don't like the outcome. If I was an MP it would be remiss of me not to consider how my constituents voted when it comes to me casting my own vote.
Two options:
- click the quote and then edit out the irrelevant bits
- copy the bit you want to quote, paste it into your post, highlight it and click the icon that looks like a speech box. You'd need to add the user's name.
It's only really an issue when someone has written a long post and that all gets quoted.On the MP question, I commented at the time, that if referendum votes were mapped into constituencies, I'm not sure the result would have been the same.
I expect someone soon will revisit the referendum results and attempt to make a 'constituency map' - I would be interested to see which side had a majority in that scenario.
;wahoo
But I refer primarily to the golden thread of political principle that runs through Britain's history, which is the sovereignty of Parliamentary decisions, won in public opposition to Royal and aristocratic privilege, even if this has to be expressed sometimes by venal and dislikable people.
But it's the same as that other great British tradition, that of trial by a jury of ordinary people "good and true". Its the same idea with exactly the same drawbacks but the principle remains strong when people are called upon to respect and implement it.
That's why I will have no difficulty at all with the Brexit decision once Parlament has had its rightful say and if it confirms the referendum opinion. If Parliament votes accordingly I for one will immediately shut up about Brexit and pull hard for its success.