FA Cup Villa (A) 8pm Friday 10 Jan

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  • Just finished the game. We were the better team for 75 minutes of that match. They turned the heat up for about 5 minutes before the first goal, and we couldn’t handle it. I think a lot of the issues defensively are in the players heads more than tactically. Hopefully that masters in leadership will come in handy for Potter.
  • First half - excellent - could not have gone much better.

    Second half - poor - we did not cause them enough issues or control the game enough. They built pressure which eventually resulted in two goals (albeit one was a poor ref call) - we defended both poorly.

    But, that first half was very promising considering 1) the standard of opposition and 2) the limited time Potter had before the game.
  • Not sure how much input potter had in such a short time ,More likely the players just uped there game 10 or 15 % to impress him .if that's the case pretty sad .
  • Paqueta went down too easily when the non corner came in leaving his man free to take it down on his chest. He wins a few free kicks but he does that way too often.
  • edited January 11
    Positives:
    A very good first half - organised, cohesive, balanced, dangerous.
    Paquetá improved (other than his play acting).
    Quality of the goal.
    Summerville performance.
    Change of player positions (Summerville, Kudus, Paquetá).
    Faith to play Scarles instead of shift AWB across.
    No shots conceded in opening 45 minutes.
    A formation that allowed us to narrowly pressurise & squeeze Villa, without mindlessly pressing.

    Negatives:
    Füllkrug injury - leading to Ings.
    Summerville injury - leading to Coufal.
    Second half drop off - no attacking threat until the last 10 minutes.
    Defensive weakness in that 5-10 minute spell when they scored twice.
    Mavropanos shaky second half.

    But, given the quality of opposition, the fact we were away & the fact Potter had been in charge for less than 48 hours, I have to say I was fairly pleased & impressed with what I saw. We all know the corner was not a corner, which changed the entire game (regardless if we had been under pressure - that happens in away games against Champions League sides funnily enough).

    We need to get our key players back quickly (Füllkrug looks a bad one, Antonio we know is out long term). We need to see if we can get a striker & a defender in (possibly a midfielder).

    But I think the uplift in performance in such a tough game, with one training session, gives us all hope of better times ahead. But players also need to up it. Paquetá did, Summerville did. Others need to do the same. It’s not all on Lopetegui & his team.
  • I don't know why you keep defending Lopetegui. It was all on him. The players did not know what he wanted of them, he fell out with a number of them, and so in the end he lost them.
  • edited January 11
    I’m not defending. Nobody knows what happened behind closed doors regards the team & him.

    All I am saying is the players have had an easy ride from many fans. Kudus being one of the most obvious. He needs to up it, he went missing last night after the first 20 minutes. Álvarez, the defence, Mavropanos - all need to raise their games. I hope Potter can contribute to them getting better but it’s obviously a two person process. I accept Lop needed to go but these players were as much the blame.
  • IronHerb said:

    I don't know why you keep defending Lopetegui. It was all on him. The players did not know what he wanted of them, he fell out with a number of them, and so in the end he lost them.

    So did Moyes? Becuase we were horrible the final 20 games of last season

    The players are mentally fragile, they lose their heads once they come under pressure, not too much a manager can do about that
  • Surely mentally preparing the team is part of the managers job?
  • I’d say it’s part, but equally I don’t need my line manager to mentally prepare me for work & teaching. I do most of it myself. They help or may help make that easier or support me where needed, but I am responsible for a lot of my own mentality. Same for players, surely?
  • I’ve long been suspicious of the setup where the club recruits the players and the manager has to coach what he’s given. The mindset is one where the club’s brand is more important, and the manager knows from the outset that he or she is as equally replaceable as this season’s loan signing. This setup will never produce a phenomenon like Busby, Ferguson, Wenger -or, for that matter, Lyall or Redknapp. The club will never allow a manager to implement a vision unless it’s sanctioned by a director of football who share’s that vision. And how are the director and manager supposed to bond and create a vision together when one of them is on a maximum 2-year contract, subject to review after six months?
  • Fabiański
    Wan-Bissaka - Mavropanos - Kilman
    Summerville - Álvarez - Souček - Scarles
    Kudus - Paquetá
    Füllkrug

    Was the team & how we started. It seemed a 4-2-3-1 on paper but was more a 3-4-2-1. Very interesting & worked a treat until the Summerville injury.
  • Did Mavro come off with concussion? If so that’s him out of the next two league games.
  • alderz said:

    Surely mentally preparing the team is part of the managers job?

    Mentally preparing is one thing but is a manager really to blame when after 70 minutes the players panic when the home fans start cheering and the players get there back up?

    Not like he can call a time out to rally them, clearly they can help but sometimes you gotta take responsibility and figure it out yourself

    Can't speak for everyone but plenty of people I've worked with panic under pressure regardless of who is managing them

    Other than Scarles we don't have any kids, we have a lot of international players who are paid handsomely, thinm passing all the buck onto the manager is just lazy imo
  • Most players are relatively young men, what other job has 50,000 people watching you work with television cameras wherever you look. With the exception of a couple of older players I suspect they do need managing. That is where a manager's people skills come in, knowing what each individual needs.
  • Yes, but he only gets two chances during a game; before and at HT. He can’t do too much during the heat of the 45 minutes, unless there is a significant stoppage. Players, especially the more experienced - which Mavro & Kilman are (and Fab) - need to stand up.
  • Yes but this is where I hope that Potter's skills are better than Lopetegui.
  • I only got to see the match this morning as was out last night, my summery would be as follows.

    We looked newly energised as often occurs when a new face arrives in the dugout, but also indicates Potter motivated the team well in the brief time he had with them. We did look a little better organised and that resulted in few moments of real threat in a first half in which we were the better team.

    To the credit of Potters opposite number Villa came out with more intent and pushed us back a little into areas they could threaten more and in turn draw us back even further. The goal was unfortunate as it was simply never a corner. A part of me wants to moan about the poor level of officials but a part does see how it happened as it was such a poorly hit shot/cross with real movement on the ball, add that movement on the ball to Souceks attempt at it and it could look like the movement on the ball was caused by him making contact. After that I felt there would be only one winner as Ings is not enough threat and without Bowen and Summerville it was hard to see how we would take the game back to them.

    All things considered a really good effort with a team that is suffering through missing attacking threat without Bowen, Antonio and now Fulkrug. We must enter the market for a striker during this window and also sort our a centre back pairing we can have a bit more confidence in one way or another. Should we do that I am hopeful we can find something to be optimistic about for the rest of the season.

    Summerville looked good before going off and the two youngsters didn't look out of their depth which bodes well.
  • Lukerz said:

    Fabiański
    Wan-Bissaka - Mavropanos - Kilman
    Summerville - Álvarez - Souček - Scarles
    Kudus - Paquetá
    Füllkrug

    Was the team & how we started. It seemed a 4-2-3-1 on paper but was more a 3-4-2-1. Very interesting & worked a treat until the Summerville injury.

    It didn’t look like that to me and from the "touches" map on whoscored,com in the first half AWB seemed to be playing as a RB in a 4-2-3-1

    After half time AWB moved up to fill in for Summerville which to me that suggests Potter thinks AWB has more to offer getting forward

    I think AWB's talents would be wasted playing as RCB in a 3-4-2-1 and would be more suited to the RWB role
  • Having watched the whole match for a second time I realised myself and possibly others had conveniently forgotten that Villa were denied a corner a few minutes prior to the goal when the ball took a slight deflection off Soucek's ankle. Just sayin
  • The way Veltman played as a sort of hybrid RB / RCB for Brighton is how I imaging AWB will play for us. He’ll have the licence to get forward up the flank but also give a lot of security defensively.
  • Having watched the whole match for a second time I realised myself and possibly others had conveniently forgotten that Villa were denied a corner a few minutes prior to the goal when the ball took a slight deflection off Soucek's ankle. Just sayin

    Fair enough, but that's not the same as the ball not going close to anyone, and I mean close.
  • IronHerb said:

    Having watched the whole match for a second time I realised myself and possibly others had conveniently forgotten that Villa were denied a corner a few minutes prior to the goal when the ball took a slight deflection off Soucek's ankle. Just sayin

    Fair enough, but that's not the same as the ball not going close to anyone, and I mean close.
    Absolutely agree only the earlier mistake was excusable but maybe justice was done?
  • Rest assured they would have wasted that corner if it had been given =) .
  • Maybe the ref realised he should have given a corner so decided to even things up.
  • I do think that giving a corner that isn’t one is far more egregious a decision than not giving one that is. One of them gives the chance to score a goal, which has massive implications on the outcome of the match.
  • Potter is going to have to work miracles.
  • edited January 12
    Fulkrug, WOW, is his history as bad as this?
    If not, the WHUFC curse, OR, if so, you have to question why did we buy him ( I don't know his injury history ), but at present he seems more injury prone than Andy C....That's a shocker.
    Such a shame....
    Guess we'll be seeing Kudus as our new makeshift striker....
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