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He does seem to be a Sullivan type appointment but it must be said that so was Moyes on his second stint and I know most supporters felt his return was an appointment lacking all ambition. Pellegrini was the ambitious appointment and that failed miserably.
He wouldn't have been my choice but he has his chance now and we can only get behind him.
First, will he get enough funds over the next few windows to satisfy him? He left Wolves after all due to a limited budget.
I am hoping, this has already been discussed and agreed.
Second, will he bring more exciting football?
His stats may say he likes possession, but this doesn't always mean exciting. I want some excitement back.
Third, can he attract the players we need? After all our squad is ageing, lacks depth and some players will be leaving.
He has managed at the highest level, so I assume he can do this.
All very obvious questions, but if the answer ends up being yes to all of them I will be delighted.
Oh, and finally can he get us back into Europe and a chance of silverware?
The first three questions should be a yes as a given. The last one I am hoping for.
I wish him the best.
Jul - Nov 2003
Rayo Vallecano, 2nd tier, sacked after 10 matches
Jul 2008 - Jun 2009
Castilla aka Real Madrid B 3rd tier, 6th
Aug 2010 - Apr 2014
Spain U19, U20 and U21 coach, won UEFA 2012 U19 and 2013 U21 championships
Jul 2014 - Jan 2016
Porto; First season 2nd, Champions League quarters, Cup semis, 2nd season sacked when they were 3rd and out of the Champions League
Jul 2016 - Jun 2018
Spain. Qualified for 2018 World Cup, sacked before the first match after it was announced he had signed with Real Madrid
Jul - Oct 2018
Real Madrid. Sacked after 14 matches
Jul 2019 - Oct 2022
Sevilla. Finished 4th three season, won Europa League, sacked 4th season when they were 17th and had drawn 1, lost 2 in Champions League
Nov 2022 - Aug 2023
Wolves. Took over when they were bottom, finished 13th. Quit due to lack of funds which allegedly he didn't know about when he joined
Looking more and more to me that Moyes decided he’d had enough and the underhand way all this had been done was the final straw.
All in all a solid CV.
The Sevilla record is, for me, his main achievement.
I'd need to look up a bit of context to judge if he did well or not, in the circs. But his European experience I think is a good thing.
Assuming he can get us into Europe....
Staying up = around 40 points.
We are therefore, in your scenario, looking at it being ok to lose every single away game. And getting points from our home games that are ..
Winning 13, losing 6.
I know that's a rough scenario but seriously, is anyone ok with us losing 25 games????
We clearly need to stay clear of the relegation dogfight but I am not expecting much in the way of European potential, hopefully that will come as the team takes shape and gains confidence in the system.
Let’s give the new guy a chance, I certainly will,
But, to be honest, he seems a bit flakey to me.
Fingers crossed....
If Moyes was moved on for another coach, the other coach has to be looking for a top 10 finish or considered a failure of a season (especially with no European football, transition season or not)
If we struggle or (God forbid) go down next season all those pundits will come out with their "Be careful what you wish for" sentiments regardless of the fact that our current form is relegation form. And as far as we are aware, we don’t know that Moyes hadn’t been told that we were going on a different direction. I find it difficult to believe that all this was being done behind his back.
Don’t forget by his own admission a contract was in the table months ago and he decided not to sign presumably because he thought he could get a better deal by waiting. Unfortunately for him we then went into a massive slump and that deal went away.
I really don’t buy into all this media frenzy about Moyes being disrespected. We didn’t sack him, he’s out of contract. The club had every right to start talking to other people as soon as he didn’t sign a new contract. We can’t wait until the end of the season before we start looking at new managers. For all we know Moyes was given an ultimatum. We’re going to start looking at other candidates but you’re still in the running if you can produce results. Unfortunately those results weren’t forthcoming. I don’t know if that’s what happened but I find it as plausible as all the other speculation going on.
I keep hearing lots of rubbish about the club over this change of manager issue. We are clearly not meant to have aspiration. I think it was Merson? who said we should be grateful as he won us a cup, I wish they would stop about the cup and be a bit more objective, rather than see the shiny thing at the end of a set of results just look at the results. It simply was not that difficult and the only match we would have gone into other than hot favourites was the final. The Europa semi Final was a much bigger achievement, only knocked out by a team who were managed by the man who has made Palace look a completely different side recently.
I read someone spouting about Tim Steidten having stabbed Moyes in the back, if it's his job to oversee recruitment and is tasked to do so by the club then it's not personal. It's like stating a manager has stabbed his goalkeeper in the back if he signs someone else.
Moyes has been great, has given us some good days and should be held in the highest regard in West Ham history, but it's not a crime to imagine there are places we would like to at least try for and seeing an argument that he may not be the man to take us further.
It was him who banned Steidten from the dressing room because he was trying to get in a new manager whilst also seemingly trying to be one of the management team.
If what we are led to believe ie that Moyes and the board would decide what will happen at the end of the season is true then unless he said he was going or they told him they would need to look for a replacement in the event of his leaving then what they did is tantamount to constructive dismissal.
I think that Moyes has far more integrity and honesty than Steidten or the board.
I will be interested to see if Nobes decides to stay because he was against Lopetigui and reputedly made that known.
For a start, where would he go?
I wish to thank Moyes for what he's done as manager and wish all the best and really hope he gets a great send off in his last game at the London stadium.
I’m very curious to know whether it’s all Tim regarding TFs now? Or we are going a certain way and he, the manager and Sullivan are on the same recruitment page… Theoretically
I thought Nobes was sports director.