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  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    IronHerb said:

    Section 1 states that it is a criminal offence to “cruelly beat, ill-treat, kick” a domestic or captive animal, which relates to our question about kicking pet dogs. You also can't “over-ride, over-load, torture, infuriate or terrify” them.

    Nothing about harming the animal.

    Sorry to be ignorant IH, but what are you then saying?
    Section 1 states that it's an illegal offence to ill-treat /kick a domestic animal...
    so as we all aware he did this, are you saying he's guilty and should be charged under section 1...
    Sorry, just a tad confused here what you saying?
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    thorn wrote - 'If the cat suffered no harm then it doesn’t come under the definition of animal cruelty' to which I responded - 'Section 1 states that it is a criminal offence to “cruelly beat, ill-treat, kick” a domestic or captive animal'. So you don't have to harm it to break the law.
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    I would imagine that "cruelly beating, ill-treating, or kicking" would necessarily cause harm, both physical and psychological.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Surely the act of kicking is cruel so whether the cat in this instance is injured or not is immaterial.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Zouma axed from squad and fined £250,000 to be donated to charity.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    thornburyiron said:

    Zouma axed from squad and fined £250,000 to be donated to charity.

    Source, please.
  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    If that's true it will make it look like the board have undermined Moyes as manager now by axing him from the squad. Makes it even more worse for Moyes that he picked him.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Sky and the RSPCA have removed his cats.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Yeold I don’t believe they have. They stated that they backed him in whatever decision he made regarding the team whilst they make their own internal investigations which I assume were in conjunction with the RSPCA.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited February 2022
    This is not going to end well…
    Thanks IH for explaining, appreciated 👍🏻

    https://metro.co.uk/2022/02/09/kurt-zoumas-cats-seized-by-rspca-and-west-ham-defender-fined-250000-16077517/
  • yoyoyoyo
    For once I feel sorry for the board.£30m paid for a pig that the whole country now hate. What are they to do? Kiss the money good bye and get rid? Tough call
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    You fine him and make him spend time in an animal rescue centre to show him the effects of what cruelly hurting animal does to them.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    'West Ham has also fined him £250,000 – two weeks’ worth of wages – and axed him from the squad for the next game.'

    So I don't think he's going to be transferred, and rightly so.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    thornburyiron said:

    Sky and the RSPCA have removed his cats.

    Sky rescue animals as well? 🤔
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited February 2022
    thornburyiron said:

    Sky and the RSPCA have removed his cats.

    For a veterinary check up, according to the RSPCA. Direct from the horse's mouth :-)
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    edited February 2022
    I hope he explains to his poor kids why their beloved ( I'm guessing of course the kids love their pets ) have been taken from their home..

    He must own up and face the music on all fronts...

    I personally think Moyes also made a mistake playing him last night, but that's done and dusted now, can't turn back the clock..

    It's just a shame we have a player who acts like he has damaging the image of our club.
    No player is bigger than the club...

    I really hope the cats are both fine and possibly re homed to a home that just give and share love....
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    It doesn't damage the image of the club. It was Kurt Zouma who did it, not West Ham.

    I personally find it so hard to care what anybody else thinks about West Ham, but that's just me.

    Whenever a footballer does something bad, social media and tabloids use it as an opportunity to attack the entire club just to perpetuate scandal.

    Social media and tabloids do really well out of scandals and outrage. They love it.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes said:

    It doesn't damage the image of the club. It was Kurt Zouma who did it, not West Ham.

    I personally find it so hard to care what anybody else thinks about West Ham, but that's just me.

    Whenever a footballer does something bad, social media and tabloids use it as an opportunity to attack the entire club just to perpetuate scandal.

    Social media and tabloids do really well out of scandals and outrage. They love it.

    Don't agree at all, he is a representatitive of our club, an ambassador, a role model to youngsters, someone to look up to and try and be like, fine example.

    It's fine you don't care what others think, but there are many more who do..IMO.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Glad that it appears something will happen

    But still can't understand how we allowed him to play last night then to axe him later
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    We’ve had all the pundits condemning us as a club for not banning him for weeks for what they call despicable cruelty but some of them I saw are ones who are well into horse racing and consider whipping the horses as part and parcel of the sport.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Horse racing and whipping a horse V kicking, chasing, slapping and throwing objects to a small cat.
    Sorry no comparison IMO.
  • BarneyBarney
    WHU - Perhaps because the internal investigation was not completed before the match?
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Club statement

    West Ham United can confirm that the Club is supporting an RSPCA investigation into the actions of Kurt Zouma in the video circulated online this week.

    Kurt and the Club are co-operating fully with the investigation and the player has willingly complied with the steps taken in the initial stage of the process, including delivering his family’s two cats to the RSPCA for assessment. Kurt is extremely remorseful and, like everyone at the Club, fully understands the depth of feeling surrounding the incident and the need for action to be taken.

    Separate to the RSPCA’s investigation and pending further sanction once the outcome of that process is determined, West Ham United can confirm that Kurt Zouma has been fined the maximum amount possible following his actions in the video that circulated. The player has immediately accepted the fine and has requested that it is donated to animal welfare charities.

    West Ham United would like to reiterate our condemnation of Kurt’s actions and make it clear that the matter continues to be handled with the utmost seriousness. However, we believe it is now important to allow the RSPCA to conduct their investigation in a fair and thorough manner, and will be making no further comment at this stage.


  • horshamhammerhorshamhammer
    Although I find Zouma's actions abhorrent I have to admit it does stick in the craw a little to hear people such as wife beater Collymore take the moral high ground.
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    No word that he's been axed from the squad.
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    I see that Vitality have pulled their sponsership for now...

    https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/west-ham-sponsor-assesses-position-after-zouma-cat-abuse-video-2022-02-09/
  • FortuneseekerFortuneseeker
    jay, Do you know how much that amounts to?
  • yoyoyoyo
    MrsGrey said:

    thornburyiron said:

    Sky and the RSPCA have removed his cats.

    For a veterinary check up, according to the RSPCA. Direct from the horse's mouth :-)
    A horse you say? Just how big is his flat?
  • jay_in_cptjay_in_cpt
    Fortuneseeker said:

    jay, Do you know how much that amounts to?

    No idea, didn't say in article....
    Let's hope the board can persuade them that they have made correct decisions and they come back on board, not sure the money side matters but the image ain't good IMO.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    jay_in_cpt said:

    Horse racing and whipping a horse V kicking, chasing, slapping and throwing objects to a small cat.
    Sorry no comparison IMO.

    I believe they are comparable, in the broader sense. Both involve animals suffering pain through no choice of their own.

    As a society we seem to accept some animals being hurt, but not others.
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