Man City (h) Caribou Cup 7:45pm Weds 27th October (not on TV)

edited October 2021 in Match Threads
Another chance for the fringe players to get a run out.

Personally I think the League Cup should be scrapped. Only England and Scotland have two cups that involve the top flight, every other country has just one (France abolished the Coupe de Ligue last year) and only England awards a Europa League place to the winner.

The League Cup only exists because clubs wanted to maximise midweek revenue after spending loads of money on floodlights. With the rise in European football there's enough midweek football to make the League Cup is redundant.

That's my tuppenny ha'penny worth and if this ends my streak then I will be less than happy.
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  • edited October 2021
    I don’t know that it should be scrapped, but I do think that something needs to change about it. Maybe if teams in Europe could opt out that would be a start.

    But, I want us to win something, so we should go for this.

    Areola; Johnson Dawson Diop (100th game, btw) Cresswell; Noble Rice; Bowen Vlasic Lanzini; Antonio
  • edited October 2021
    Areola
    Zouma - Dawson - Diop
    Fredericks - Fornals - Rice - Masuaku
    Vlasic - Lanzini
    Bowen

    Randolph, Ogbonna, Johnson, Kral, Noble, Soucek, Benrahma, Yarmolenko, Antonio

    We could rest the entire 11 but we don’t want to risk a battering.
  • I wouldn’t mind seeing it scrapped. I never care about it.

    Obviously I’ll care about it if we get to the final, though.
  • Lukerz said:

    Areola
    Zouma - Dawson - Diop
    Johnson - Fornals - Rice - Lanzini - Masuaku
    Bowen - Vlasic

    We could rest the entire 11 but we don’t want to risk a battering. Let’s go to a back 3 & keep Zouma, Johnson, Rice, Fornals & Bowen in the side.

    The way we play 352 works because of the full back wing back combo of Cresswell and Masuaku. You could flip the side and have 2 of Johnson/Fredericks/Coufal but I don’t think it works with 3 centre backs for us.
  • Nobody including Kral, is he still isolating?

    Areola
    Johnson Dawson Diop Masuaku
    Kral Noble
    Lanzini Fornals Bowen
    Vlasic

    If Kral is not able to play then Rice if he feels able. I get the impression he can take his matches well and recovers quick, but would let him decide.
  • Would be nice for Yarmo to get a game imo
  • Would be nice for all of us if he got a goal
  • steve said:

    Would be nice for all of us if he got a goal

    A winning goal would be perfect ;)
  • Same team that won at Man Utd for me
  • It’s a sell out. Full house for a Carabao cup game, unheard of.
  • I think it's what happens when the fans feel that we can compete in every match we play and that whoever is playing will be giving 100%, I think the fans want to be part of it and will take tickets for any match that can get. This is the best West Ham side I think I have ever seen.
  • Tickets were £10 for this one and kids for a quid so think that helped but there were loads of seats left last week and I delayed buying - looks like the last two wins have got more people wanting to go.

    I noticed a lot of local friends who aren't massive football fans are way more into it now West Ham are doing well. It's not that they were supporting other teams, just they're more engaged now.
  • Tickets were £10 for this one and kids for a quid so think that helped but there were loads of seats left last week and I delayed buying - looks like the last two wins have got more people wanting to go.

    I noticed a lot of local friends who aren't massive football fans are way more into it now West Ham are doing well. It's not that they were supporting other teams, just they're more engaged now.

    Will they become disengaged if we start dropping off?
  • edited October 2021

    Tickets were £10 for this one and kids for a quid so think that helped but there were loads of seats left last week and I delayed buying - looks like the last two wins have got more people wanting to go.

    I noticed a lot of local friends who aren't massive football fans are way more into it now West Ham are doing well. It's not that they were supporting other teams, just they're more engaged now.

    Will they become disengaged if we start dropping off?
    Some will, some will stay. I'm talking about quite casual football fans. But they won't switch to others and hopefully it'll filter down to their kids when they have them. Going to games is the easiest way to infect new people with affection for West Ham.

    I grew up in Newham in '90s so most of us from immigrant backgrounds (and moreso our parents) associated football fans with violence and the paradox of West Ham being the local club is it was West Ham fans we feared. (By the way: I'm not saying West Ham fans were worst, just what we saw most.) So people chose other teams who were on TV more and were good to watch. But with most of that in the past and now West Ham playing well, I think people feel more open to going to games. Cheaper season tickets help a lot and the cheap Europa and cup games help as well.

    I think this period will help build a local heritage where support will pass down families just like it did with the people who moved out to Essex and elsewhere. I've seen more support for West Ham locally over the past 15 years anyway but think it's quickening now - which I'm happy about.

    (Sorry, long answer but why more people I grew up with don't support our local team is something I think about a lot :) )
  • Last round City beat Wycombe 6-1, they played back up keeper Zack Steffan, a back four and DM from the under 23s but started Mahrez, Fodden, De Bruyne, Sterling and Ferran Torres.

    Torres was substituted after 72 minutes when they were 4-1 up but the rest of the first team players stayed on for the full 90 minutes.

    Admittedly they played on a Tuesday and didn't play again until Saturday, this time they'll have one day less before playing again. Hmmmm...
  • We as a family have followed West Ham and before that TIW from day 1. My Grandfather took my Father when he was a boy along to the local team as they lived across the road from Upton Park & when I was old enough I got to go, coming down from the East Midlands. Before we moved I took my Son, and since we went to the LS my Wife and Daughter have also now been to a few matches.

    BND, When Blackburn Rovers won the league there was a dramatic increase in purchases of their shirts in our area, those supporters have now grown up and are regular visitors to Leicester, Derby & Nottingham Forest. It's was probably human nature to support the winning team but it's nice to see that others stay loyal to their team through thick & thin.
  • Yarmo at cf, please. Rest Bowen, play Vlasic on the right. Can see wingbacks in this one ...
  • I think we have to play a strong team. This is the team that keeps winning this cup and one of the best teams in the world. If we're not going to go strong on beating them then there's no point being in the cup.
  • edited October 2021
    I think we will see a strong side for a few reasons.

    1) it’s a Wednesday game (not Thursday), so the players will actually feel the benefits of an extra day off compared to what we have been used to. We also kick off late on Sunday.

    2) Moyes will know there is a risk, depending on how strong City go, of losing this game heavily. He has already said he wants to keep momentum going & that is how he has looked at the Europa League games. We could do without a 4-0 loss with a reserve side.

    3) it’s a sell out. He will feel he owes the fans to put out a competitive side.
  • edited October 2021
    Lukerz = The voice of reason. =)
  • I think we need Rice, Kral and Soucek to deal with their midfield.
  • Whoever they put out, they will trouble us and create chances. This game will hinge on on our ability to trouble them in return. They aren't brilliant at the back, and will hopefully be resting a few of their better players too. I really want to see us win something, so I would be in favour of taking this tournament seriously. I'd love to see Benrahma and Bowen both play and really test their backline.
  • Some of our fans weren’t born the last time someone other than City won this cup.
  • We could have done with them facing a tough away match on Saturday to encourage them to rest people. They will however recognise that there is going to be no room for error in the league if they want to retain their title.
  • edited October 2021
    Fredericks available according to football.london (trained today but was deemed not sharp enough for the Spurs game) & Kral should be available subject to a negative Covid-19 test tomorrow. Coufal unlikely to be involved.
  • This coufal injure seems to be going on ,Any update on it
  • No doesn’t seem to be any talk about it. Seems to be from when Matic kicked him in the groin area & hasn’t been fit since albeit he did play a couple of games after that incident (Leeds, Brentford). The noise seems to be he is quite close but I remember reading the injury name (can’t remember now) & I know somebody who had a similar injury & took 6 months to heal. Hopefully not the same for him!
  • Did anyone else notice this?

    From the 4th round onwards teams will be able to make five substitutions from nine subs with three "opportunities during open play" to make substitutions not including half-time.

    From the semi-finals onwards teams will get a fourth opportunity during extra time not including full time and half time in extra time

    https://www.efl.com/news/2021/october/carabao-cup-rule-amendment/#maincontent
  • Don’t like the idea of 5 subs. It can disrupt the flow of the game not just the time taken for substitutions themselves, but also the structure of the team itself and how they’re playing.

    It can be viewed as part of the “strategy”, but IMO it’s an 11 man game. The benches are starting to look like they wouldn’t be out of place in AMERICAN football.

    If we’re not careful we’ll end up with specialist positions e.g. someone coming on just to take a last minute penalty. 😜⚒
  • Fortunately Moyes is not very prolific when it comes to making subs. 😉
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