The January Transfer Window

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AJAX WANT HALLER

Ajax are trying to sign Sebastien Haller from West Ham.

They have made a bid which is worth less than half the £45m West Ham paid Eintracht Frankfurt for the forward in the summer of 2019.

No fee has been agreed and West Ham may decide to keep Haller until the summer because it would be easier to sign a replacement then.

ASLEFshrugged

Hamstew said:

So Haller is off to Ajax apparently

Reports that Moyes wants to wait until he has signed a striker before he lets Haller leave, Josh King being named as the replacement.

All sounds like a very Moyesish approach.

EXETERHAMMER

Correct approach too.

OldCastleSwift

alderz said:

IronHerb said:

Cover for where?

When he’s played he’s been in CM. Currently we have Rice, Soucek, Noble and Snodgrass. I don’t want Snoddy or Noble to play, particularly, but we will need someone if there is an injury.

Yeah, this is the thing. Snoddy doesn't offer as much as Bowen or Benrahma on the wings, or as much as Rice or Soucek in the middle, so him going isn't a problem for me so long as we bring in a CM to replace him. But if we don't bring in someone else, then Snoddy is better than the alternative, which is literally no-one.

Brother_Sledge

Assuming nothing happens in the January window;
Have not been impressed by Haller and didn't really buy the 'wrong system' excuses but have been coming round a bit lately - have watched the 'bundesliga's best' youtube clips again of him at Frankfurt and can hardly believe it's the same guy. Strikes me that we would get more out of him and raise his value in a 4-4-1-1 with someone else ahead of him. I think Bowen is very mobile and probably the most clinical in front of goal so would be my choice up front. Yarmo has been a bit disappointing so I was wondering if maybe Fredericks or Johnson would be a good option on the right playing in front of Coufal.
Fab
Coufal , Dawson? , Ogbonna , Cresswell
Fredericks. Soucek , Rice , Benrahma
Haller
Bowen

ASLEFshrugged

Bowen has been most effective on the right side of a front three, I can't see what would be gained by playing one player out of his natural position to get the best out of another player.

I like Snodgrass, he put up with a lot of nonsense when he came here as Bilic clearly didn't regard him as a replacement for Payet. If he does go to WBA then I wish him well (except on 19 Jan and 15 May).

baracks_a_hammer

So we need to sell Haller in order to fund someone like Josh King? Wow. Talk about smoking mirrors. If it were someone like king coming in, I would have expected it to be even if Haller was still around. Still, why on earth would I have been stupid enough to have thought that - it is Sully we are talking about, after all.

Pearces_Left_Foot

West Ham and Wolves are competing to sign 19-year-old Ajax and Burkina Faso forward Lassina Traore. (De Telegraaf, via Sun)

Maybe a swap with Ajax with some cash coming our way to buy King aswell ... won't happen but would ne nice :-)

ASLEFshrugged

baracks_a_hammer said:

So we need to sell Haller in order to fund someone like Josh King? Wow. Talk about smoking mirrors. If it were someone like king coming in, I would have expected it to be even if Haller was still around. Still, why on earth would I have been stupid enough to have thought that - it is Sully we are talking about, after all.

I suspect its more a case that if/when Josh King or another striker arrives Haller would be third choice. He clearly doesn't fit into Moyes's plans for the future so he probably wants to find another club just as much as we want to sell him.

And at Ajax he's pretty much guaranteed to play in the Champions League every season

He might even smile!

Hamstew

Reading the stuff from Ex it looks like 20 to 25 million euros for Haller. But we also owe a large amount to Frankfurt. Shambles.

Fortuneseeker

I think most of us agree we need a LB/LWB, CDM & striker. So if Haller goes which 2 strikers are coming in?

OldCastleSwift

Ex's podcast suggests that Ajax seems the likeliest destination for Haller. That will give us money for a replacement this month. Ajax want to keep hold of Traore so a swap deal for him is unlikely. If he doesn't go now, he will definitely leave in the summer.

Other news; Moyes and the players want Arnie back, and the player wants the move. This could be a six-month loan, but it'll depend on his wages.

Moyes wants Lingaard, so that rumour could have some legs

Snodgrass to West Brom will almost certainly happen. Holland and Anang are both available to go out on loan, and Diop's future at the club will be decided over the course of the rest of the season.

Loads of names thrown out in terms of players we've been linked with, but nothing of any substance.

baracks_a_hammer

Have we ever bought a striker in the Sully era that has actually worked out?

Ba was good but we got relegated anyway and his contract allowed him to leave for free - so not a good outcome

Arnie’s method of departure means that was not a success either

I mean it has been over 10 years of utter disasters. One after another, never ending, failure after failure after failure.

If you were a striker, you wouldn’t come to West Ham, would you?

ASLEFshrugged

Hamstew said:

Reading the stuff from Ex it looks like 20 to 25 million euros for Haller. But we also owe a large amount to Frankfurt. Shambles.

75% paid when he transferred, 25% in instalments (£45m ÷ 4 = £11.25m). We were supposed to pay £5.4m in May but didn't, don't know how much we actually owe.

OldCastleSwift said:

Other news; Moyes and the players want Arnie back, and the player wants the move. This could be a six-month loan, but it'll depend on his wages.

Any evidence to back this up, quotes from inside sources, etc.?

OldCastleSwift said:

Moyes wants Lingaard, so that rumour could have some legs

Because we really need another winger...

baracks_a_hammer

Actually I can name one - Ashley Fletcher - not from a footballing point of view but for the large profit we managed to make on him.

alderz

Carroll was a success on the pitch, I’d say, but obviously wasn’t on it very often. I suppose if you were trying really hard you might say that Antonio has been a successful striker signing, but I don’t think it counts.

If we sell Haller I don’t necessarily think we need to bring in two strikers, tbh. I think that we need one because Haller doesn’t work for our system and/or isn’t good enough or work hard hard enough, depending on who you speak to. We don’t really need a third choice who isn’t going to get any games.

Is it just me or is selling Snodgrass to West Brom 10 days before we play them just asking for trouble?

Pengeman

baracks_a_hammer said:

So we need to sell Haller in order to fund someone like Josh King? Wow. Talk about smoking mirrors. If it were someone like king coming in, I would have expected it to be even if Haller was still around. Still, why on earth would I have been stupid enough to have thought that - it is Sully we are talking about, after all.

The sale of Haller, possibly for £20m/£25m, is unlikely to generate any transfer funds as WHU probably still owe Eintracht Frankfurt the same sum. It would reduce the wage bill but WHU will be taking a loss on transfer.

baracks_a_hammer

Hamstew said:

Reading the stuff from Ex it looks like 20 to 25 million euros for Haller. But we also owe a large amount to Frankfurt. Shambles.

Remember back in the day when many thought Savio was one of the worst transfer disasters ever

yoyo

I expect to see quite a few coming and going but more in the summer after Moyes has had his first complete season. He'll want to mould the squad to his likeness. He'll already have ideas, he's no mug. Touch wood, we carry on performing well and finish the season in a good position.The powers that be will hopefully be happy at the end of the season and should therefore back him ( How likely that is, is with the Gods!)

OldCastleSwift

ASLEFshrugged said:

OldCastleSwift said:

Other news; Moyes and the players want Arnie back, and the player wants the move. This could be a six-month loan, but it'll depend on his wages.

Any evidence to back this up, quotes from inside sources, etc.?.

Ex is the inside source, if you believe that he's genuinely ITK. He didn't reference anyone else if that's what you mean.

baracks_a_hammer

£100m spent on Yarmo, anderson and Haller. We’d be lucky to recover £30m now for the three of them. For a club like West Ham that is financial Armageddon

OldCastleSwift

alderz said:

If we sell Haller I don’t necessarily think we need to bring in two strikers, tbh. I think that we need one because Haller doesn’t work for our system and/or isn’t good enough or work hard hard enough, depending on who you speak to. We don’t really need a third choice who isn’t going to get any games.

Not sure I agree. It's made more complicated because of Antonio's injury record. I mean, on paper, Antonio and, for arguments sake, King might be enough, given that Moyes plays one up front.

But with Antonio's record, it's likely that he'll be out for periods over the course of the season, which means King starts and we have no cover on the bench. I think we need three strikers; maybe Odubeko will be good enough for third choice, but he's been injured and is obviously untested at senior level.

OutcastLondoner

baracks_a_hammer said:

Have we ever bought a striker in the Sully era that has actually worked out?

Ba was good but we got relegated anyway and his contract allowed him to leave for free - so not a good outcome

Arnie’s method of departure means that was not a success either

I mean it has been over 10 years of utter disasters. One after another, never ending, failure after failure after failure.

If you were a striker, you wouldn’t come to West Ham, would you?

I'd say Sakho worked out ok. He was cheap and really effective in the way we played for a while. Injuries and whatever else came in but overall I think he was a good buy.

Maybe we shouldn't just be looking at strikers but scouting wingers with the right abilities for Moyes to turn into a striker.

I really hope we're not in for Lingard. I'm not really sure what role he plays in a team anyway.

Hamstew

Lingard 😬

yoyo

My Flaber has never been so Gasted

ASLEFshrugged

Pengeman said:

The sale of Haller, possibly for £20m/£25m, is unlikely to generate any transfer funds as WHU probably still owe Eintracht Frankfurt the same sum. It would reduce the wage bill but WHU will be taking a loss on transfer.

According to The Guardian we paid 75% up front with 25% in instalments.

£45m x 25% = £11.25m so if we sell Haller for £20-25m we'll have at least half of that left which will be enough for Josh King as he's only got six months left on his contract.

Pearces_Left_Foot

Were are not the only club who buys strikers who don't work out Joelinton was £40 Mio and he has barely done a thing at Newcastle there was that Greek striker at Fulham a few years back who was a complete disaster. Heres hoping Moyes continues along the lines of Soucek Coufal in terms of success :-)

Yeoldhammer

Selling Haller surely means we have a replacement lined up. But we already a LB / Striker short anyway.

So selling Snodgrass and Haller = Another Striker and CM short on top of a LB and Striker.

ASLEFshrugged

The Sun reckons we're letting Snoddy go on a free as his contract expires in summer and he'll be 34 in September.

OldCastleSwift

Yeoldhammer said:

Selling Haller surely means we have a replacement lined up. But we already a LB / Striker short anyway.

So selling Snodgrass and Haller = Another Striker and CM short on top of a LB and Striker.

You would hope so. Especially considering we have a game on Monday night that I'm sure Moyes doesn't want to risk Antonio in.

King seems the obvious candidate, but according to Ex our targets have changed now that Haller is likely to go for actual money.