Smash Those Potters - Stoke (A) Match Thread 16.12.17 3pm

secrethammersfan

I reckon VR will just be used to enhance the current instances where the referee takes advice from the linesmen and fourth official.

NEoldiron

Luke, the obvious get out for the referee would be to award a penalty every time thus creating a break in play, knowing that VR would be used to determine the validity of the decision.

NEoldiron

The problem with Madcap's picture is that Manu's arms seem to be in the exaggerated position that we normally call out as being a dive. Unfortunately ;wink

TheMadcapLaughs

I think De Bruynes is a more obvious dive, I`m not sure he gets touched at all. If Lanzini`s appeal is turned down, it makes the ref look a right numpty. I`m also not sure where else his arms would be, if you fall they go either straight up or straight out. Unless you have them in your pockets of course.

Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes

Barney said:

Madcaps picture appears to show the defenders hip going into Lanzini and I am sure that is what the referee saw. I dont think he dived; he appears to be trying to ride the tackle and the defender had to go through him to gt to the ball (which he is not anywhere near). successful appeal - I hope!

Lanzini has left the ground and dived into the defender’s thigh, so has already dived before contact happens.

MunichHammer

alderz said:

Adam

I think Outcast was asking what would happen if a team appealed for a penalty and the ref didn’t give it. The opposition team break, but at what point does the VR come into effect? Do you stop the counter to look at it? Do you wait for the ball to go out of play? What if they went and scored at the other end and then the VR brought it back?

I think VR works in a lot of sports because of the natural breaks, but that isn’t really the case in football.

That happened recently, I think it was in the Dutch league. I posted something at the time.
Team a wanted a pen, team b broke and scored. The ref then ruled out the goal and awarded the pen instead.

claretandbluesky

That's the right call in my view, the game must play until a natural break but if the penalty gets awarded any goals scored after are ruled out just like an offside in which the striker scores but the flag is then seen by the referee, the ball went in the net but due to an earlier infringement the goal is disallowed. The linesman is in effect an earlier version of assistance to the referee that video will be soon.

jay_in_cpt

No surprise IMO
Lanzini failed appeal.
2 match ban.

Yeoldhammer

Does 1 of those games count tonight

jay_in_cpt

Yeoldhammer said:

Does 1 of those games count tonight

Yes

Fortuneseeker

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-5192169/Are-confused-panel-wearing-blindfolds.html

Thankfully someone else thinks Zaha gets away with things?

OldCastleSwift

That article is spot on. I'm all for punishing diving, but it has to be consistent.

I'm not too worried about losing Lanzini for tonight - he was desperately ineffective against Arsenal last time out - but we really need him for the Newcastle game.

thornburyiron

Maybe if we hadn't appealed it would have been a different outcome. Apparently if you appeal a different panel makes a decision to the one that would have decided.

IronHerb

The decision had been made and the appeal was against that decision.

claretandbluesky

Someone should make a website showing up the FA and referees for their inconsistency as until it is put in the spotlight they wont correct themselves. I guess it would be difficult due to ownership of the clips which would belong to Sky, BT or some other broadcaster.

EXETERHAMMER

I have to agree with the punishment. I think he dived and would be livid if it had been the other way around.

buffybegood

I agree Exeter, but it's the lack of consistency, even when being viewed retrospectively, that is most annoying.

OldCastleSwift

So Gray has just dived to 'earn' Leicester a penalty.

Watch this space then...

Fortuneseeker

What then happens if Manchester City get knocked out?

Vorselaarhammer

The world stops spinning I think...

Cuz1

It will mean Leicester will be in the semis

welovethehammers

TheMadcapLaughs said:

Should De Bruyne be punished and suspended also (plus a few others but I can`t be bothered to find the videos). Blatant dive, no?

https://streamable.com/dqm46

If Lanzini`s suspension gets upheld and no other incidents are investigated from the weekend it shows what a mockery the whole procedure is. Absolute disgrace.

I agree and said a similar thing yesterday. They punish the smaller Premier League clubs like West Ham for diving (let me get this clear I do think Lanzini dived) but they won't punish players in top teams. I don't think this is a coincidence in the slightest.

ASLEFshrugged

They didn't punish Palace for Zaha's dives

alderz

Personally, I feel that Lanzini's was the most blatant of any of the 'dives' to win anything in the last few weeks. There have been worse, but those were punished or ignored at the time.

The fact you have to actually con the ref to be punished retrospectively is a serious flaw.

TheMadcapLaughs

OldCastleSwift said:

So Gray has just dived to 'earn' Leicester a penalty.

Watch this space then...

I`m watching, but I`m not sure Lineker has kicked up much of a stink yet.

Cuz1

On this occasion I’d have liked to hear the refs reason for giving the penalty being that he was in a good position to call it, and also what he as to say now given that our player as been banned for deceiving him

thornburyiron

Not only that but 2 different panels thought it was a dive or maybe the 2nd was protecting the 1st

NEoldiron

Just watched the Gray dive. IMO that is far worse than Lanzini's "dive".
The difference is that Walker made some minor contact, although definitely not enough to cause Gray to fall, while running by the side of him.
Lanzini however was aware that he was about to get clattered by Pieters who was making a sliding tackle. The fact that Pieters pulled out of the tackle before contact is irrelevant since Manu was not to know that.
I'm not paranoid, but there does seem to be some conspiracy against us. ;wink

But, hey, Leicester still lost and what joy to see Vardy and Mahrez both miss their penalties. ;lol

thornburyiron

Investigated but no retrospective action to be taken.