Watford vs West Ham United - 19.11.17 - Match Thread

TheMadcapLaughs

At the time I didn`t think he`d done much worse. A sort of "my life`s over, I`ve broken a nail" or "I`m so angry I could crush a grape" thing.
It was flippancy within a flippant comment.
I`m normally a compassionate person, I cry at sad films. But I found Arnie rolling around on the floor funny.
My name is Madcap, and I think I have a problem.

NEoldiron

Madcap, Act III, Scene II, Queen Gertrude

NEoldiron

BTW, I thought Marriner had a good game.

IronHerb

Grey ;ok But we have to strive.

Marriner had his usual game where he does let it flow but his consistency is open to question.

chicagohammer

NE - I think that AC,s card was an accumulation type of card, I would not have been surprised if he had been given a yellow within seven seconds for leading with his arm once again, not really deliberate and thus not malicious but he certainly contacted the opponent right on the nose with enough force to draw a decent amount of claret.

Just a few games ago he got his marching orders for a couple of those.

IronHerb

But AC didn't even get a free kick when a Watford player led arm first into him. He gets a rough ride from refs.

MrsGrey

He got kicked 3 or 4 times (probably accidentally, but still) shortly before his Yellow Card. He stayed on his feet and kept the ball.... ref gave nothing.

MrsGrey

Reminds me of Carlton ... regularly penalised for JWB.

;ccole

IronHerb

MrsGrey said:

He got kicked 3 or 4 times (probably accidentally, but still) shortly before his Yellow Card. He stayed on his feet and kept the ball.... ref gave nothing.

Spot on Mrs G. He was, imo, doubly frustrated by the buffeting he took and the fact no West Ham player got anywhere near him whilst he struggled to hold on to the ball.

grey_til_I_dye

I honestly didn't think it was even a foul. The Watford player ran across him, imo.

IronHerb

I haven't seen it on the box only from 100 yards away, so I'm probably right. ;lol

Lukerz

I see old Antonio has liked a tweet tonight which read ‘what a shambles’ (Daily Star), showing the back page and Moyes with his head in his hands, with the subheading saying ‘Moyes fury as flops mess up his return’.

;doh

MrsGrey

Real twitter account?

How do we know what he has liked (genuine question, because I'm looking at his twitter page right now and not sure how to see that.)

I have clicked on the 'likes' tab, but don't see any like for the DS.

chicagohammer

MrsGrey said:

Reminds me of Carlton ... regularly penalised for JWB.

;ccole

Maybe I am having a senior moment, but what is JWB?

Cuz1

chicagohammer said:

MrsGrey said:

Reminds me of Carlton ... regularly penalised for JWB.

;ccole

Maybe I am having a senior moment, but what is JWB?

Glad you asked I must be as well

chicagohammer

As for Arnie, I am sure that he was in,pain, but even so I thought his reactions were pointing to something far more serious, I actually thought he may have broken his wrist or something.

I was trying to see what caused it and as far as I could tell, he had hold of the guys shirt and it looked like his wrist may have been dislocated when the player twisted away, it looked quite nasty.

The medics were surrounding him and I was expecting them to put on an arm splint or something, I was genuinely concerned for him.

I was quite surprised when they said the injury was to his thumb.

As per the previous post, I actually thought he was having his best game for us and I was sorry to see him go.

grey_til_I_dye

JWB - jumping while black (on the model of DWB - driving while black)

alderz

Chicago ;ok

The way he was acting I said to my brother I thought he'd gone down awkwardly on his wrist and broken it, but then on the reply he got his thumb stood on it looked like. Not saying it doesn't hurt, because it does. But also, there was that interview before where they asked him what sort of player he was and he described himself as the 'hard man'. So idk

SuzanneClaret

On the TV it looked like he'd dislocated his wrist. He looked in a lot of pain.

I don't know why a player expressing pain is a problem or a point of ridicule.

I've dislocated my finger and my thumb on separate occasions - I was screaming my head off.

IronHerb

I just wonder what Billy Bonds thought of that. If that was Billy he would have gone down on one knee, the trainer would have run on with his bucket and sponge, treated the injury with said sponge, possibly taped the thumb to his hand to keep it stationary (optional) and Billy would have dived into the next available tackle.

Don't make 'em like they used to.

MrsGrey

Remember when AC dislocated his finger in a match, ran over to the sideline, physio put it back and he carried on playing. You can google pictures .. I don't want to, it makes me queasy.

(The picture does. Not googling ;whome )

SuzanneClaret

IronHerb said:

I just wonder what Billy Bonds thought of that. If that was Billy he would have gone down on one knee, the trainer would have run on with his bucket and sponge, treated the injury with said sponge, possibly taped the thumb to his hand to keep it stationary (optional) and Billy would have dived into the next available tackle.

Don't make 'em like they used to.

He was one of a kind

Cuz1

Probably put his boots on now and would give more than some of our lot

alderz

Suz

It's not a point of ridicule, it's just that his reaction seemed, given everything he projects as an image, to mean that it was going to be far more serious than it was. I'm pleased it was only his thumb, as he was playing well, I thought

SuzanneClaret

;ok Ald

Hammerex

I agree Brookings, time to give Adrian a chance.

SuzanneClaret

I don't think there is much between either 'keeper. Both can make some great saves and both can mess up.

It's just I think Adrian has a bit of a cult following and It's felt Hart was dropped on us but was not what we needed.

alderz

I have felt all season that Hart is better than Adrian, but the second goal against Watford was extremely concerning. I read regularly that he is weak low and to his left, and that was the issue there. After that goal, I think I would like a change, tbh.

puddleglumhammers

The worst aspect of Moyes was his use of subs. 2-0 down so replace a striker with a striker - negative. Then replace winger/forward with a left back (why not try Quina?) - negative. Don't use your 3rd sub - CRIMINAL. Put Martinez on for 10/15 minutes with Noble or Kouyate or Obiang going off. So what if we lose 3 or 4 nil.

welovethehammers

puddleglumhammers said:

The worst aspect of Moyes was his use of subs. 2-0 down so replace a striker with a striker - negative. Then replace winger/forward with a left back (why not try Quina?) - negative. Don't use your 3rd sub - CRIMINAL. Put Martinez on for 10/15 minutes with Noble or Kouyate or Obiang going off. So what if we lose 3 or 4 nil.

I disagree.

Carroll needed to get subbed as he would've got sent off. Moyes was simply being proactive. Plus Carroll was having no joy and the game didn't seem to suit his style of play.

Masuaku was playing as a left winger not as a left back. And he is perfectly capable of playing there - in fact he's better there than as a defender. So it was a good move choosing him to replace the injured Arnie.

Our bench was pretty weak. Based on how the game was going (being overan in midfield and being pinned back near our goal) Taking off defensive players for attacking players would be suicidal. Having said all that, for or me we should've brought Rice on for one of our CM's. They were running round a lot and before their 2nd goal those three midfielders ran everywhere but never intercepted the ball or made a tackle. We needed fresh legs Yes, but changing our shape would've been wrong.