Watford vs West Ham United - 19.11.17 - Match Thread
Venue: Vicarage Road
Date: 19/11/17
KO: 16:00
Early, I know. There was probably a better time for this thread but as we have people at the door we’ll open up.
My first match thread of the season. Usually a bad thing. Generally know the season has been abject when we get to November and I’ve found no motivation to start one. My track record says I’ll start one before September.
We’ve had a long list of attempts this season.
So, the pretty obvious question starts off proceedings. Think we all know what that is...
Exactly, why did Deeney do what he did. Beats me.
Anyway, onto the management. Looks likely Slav will be absent. Looks more likely Moyes won’t be.
Team news is likely to be as murky as ever. Expect an average of 4.73 injuries for this one.
Possible ‘Moyes XI’:
Hart
Zabaleta - Reid - Ogbonna - Cresswell
Noble - Obiang - Kouyate
Antonio - Carroll - Arnautovic
Expect an improvement in basic organisation. Zab won’t be caught for pace. Cress won’t be caught with pace. Arnautovic will find pace and Carroll...won’t.
Expect at least one mention of the phrase “a contrast of styles this afternoon” from whatever commentary team has been assigned this fixture.
Possibility of a brief honeymoon period for 90 mins.
The stats say a 0-1 win with Carroll prodding one in early from a corner. Not sure what stats these are though.
Plenty to discuss, and two weeks to do it. Just how many international breaks go into 3 weeks?
Lob in your thoughts. Imagine you’re Ginge, the ball is at your feet and this thread is Big Andy clambering over two defenders. It’s gonna be messy, but straight to the point.
COYI
Date: 19/11/17
KO: 16:00
Early, I know. There was probably a better time for this thread but as we have people at the door we’ll open up.
My first match thread of the season. Usually a bad thing. Generally know the season has been abject when we get to November and I’ve found no motivation to start one. My track record says I’ll start one before September.
We’ve had a long list of attempts this season.
So, the pretty obvious question starts off proceedings. Think we all know what that is...
Exactly, why did Deeney do what he did. Beats me.
Anyway, onto the management. Looks likely Slav will be absent. Looks more likely Moyes won’t be.
Team news is likely to be as murky as ever. Expect an average of 4.73 injuries for this one.
Possible ‘Moyes XI’:
Hart
Zabaleta - Reid - Ogbonna - Cresswell
Noble - Obiang - Kouyate
Antonio - Carroll - Arnautovic
Expect an improvement in basic organisation. Zab won’t be caught for pace. Cress won’t be caught with pace. Arnautovic will find pace and Carroll...won’t.
Expect at least one mention of the phrase “a contrast of styles this afternoon” from whatever commentary team has been assigned this fixture.
Possibility of a brief honeymoon period for 90 mins.
The stats say a 0-1 win with Carroll prodding one in early from a corner. Not sure what stats these are though.
Plenty to discuss, and two weeks to do it. Just how many international breaks go into 3 weeks?
Lob in your thoughts. Imagine you’re Ginge, the ball is at your feet and this thread is Big Andy clambering over two defenders. It’s gonna be messy, but straight to the point.
COYI
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Comments
We don't have any of that
Away from home may help us (as the London stadium isnt) but I can't see anything other than a loss....and how bad is that....
If the Dave’s are quick and decisive about what they do next, and a new manager has a full two weeks with our squad, I’m optimistic of a significantly improved showing from us.
why put that in
Away win (I know I say this nearly all the time, I can't help myself, it's like an addiction ;puzzled ).
Moyes1/5
I need to lay down
;sub
;sbrew ;sbrew ;sbrew
Or indeed for any away fans having to travel home from a midweek 7:45pm/8pm ko
Actually the last time I went away was Old Trafford this time last year in the League Cup. I stayed in a very nice hotel in the centre of town and had a jolly nice breakfast the next morning
Maybe not ;hmm
Like the West Ham fans coming back from Goodison at the end of this month. ;doh
Zabaleta, Rice, Reid, Cresswell
Antonio, Obiang, Lanzini, Holland
Martinez, Hernandez
.......................Hart.....................
Zab............Reid......Oggy........Cresswell
.................Noble......Obiang.........
......Antonio.....Lanzini......Ayew........
......................Carroll...........................
A hard fought 1--0 away win. As long as we have a discernible game plan I will be happy. ;scarf
Having said that, there is a chance that, given that Chicharito has said how he was frozen out by Moyes at Man U, Moyes may have to start him to show he doesn't hold a grudge and is starting afresh.
Hart
Zabaleta - Reid - Ogbonna - Cresswell
Antonio - Obiang - Noble - Kouyate - Lanzini
ST (could be any of Ayew/Carroll/Chico/Sakho)
I’m pretty certain only players who are prepared to work their socks off will make Moyes’ match day teams (if he is appointed) - that’s no bad thing really
If that’s possible
With his injury record I mean
...............Adrian.............
Zab..Reid..Fonte..Cress
..........Rice...Obiang.......
Antonio...........Lanzini....
........Carroll...Sakho.......
Subs: Hart, Ogbonna, Byram, Masuaku, Kouyate, Hernandez, Ayew
If we are being overrun in midfield bring on Kouyate sooner rather than later (even if it's at half time). Ideally we should use attack as the best form of defence. I.e. Sakho and Antonio running the channels, Carroll creating space for others.
Go back to basics - get Cresswell to whip in good balls to Carroll, Sakho and Antonio. 3 players good in the air. With a different manager hopefully Sakho can get his head together and play the football he was playing when he was happy at West Ham.
Use Lanzini to get Cresswell to cross. I.e Lanzini goes on the overlap to free up space for Cresswell and vice Versa. Lanzini is great at making these runs or movement in order To allow Cress to cross.
Rice and Obiang simply need to keep possession and let the attacking players do their thing.
If Antonio is not physically fit don't play him. And if he's not in the right frame of mind don't play him.
I'd personally give Adrian the nod in goal. But if this is the case then we shouldn't chop and change keepers. I think it's acceptable to when you have a new manager coming in though.
In terms of subs: if Antonio is tiring and getting lazy in terms of defending then take him off for Byram. If we lack width on the left then bring on Masuaku (he has linked up well with Sakho previously so hopefully it'll be effective having those 2 on the pitch together). If Ayew or Hernandez comes on make sure they are playing on the back of the defenders (they are best getting behind the defence rather than coming deep). They are better inside the box and facing goal! And bring on Kouyate if we are overrun in midfield and want to give more of a battle in the middle of the park (height, pace and athletic prowess).
The most important thing is to not get overrun in midfield. If we can do that we can win this match. We need a territorial advantage and no mistakes or crazy moments from our players and I am confident we can get a result.
One of Moyes biggest problems he needs to fix imo
We may not be last for distance covered but it's by 1km and the 18th team are far ahead of us (Plus United have much superior players)
What's more damming is last for sprints
And guess who are 2nd only to city....you guessed it Watford
Can't let ourselves be over run