Brexit: the next stage. Deal or No Deal? (and the General Election)

MrsGrey

Back in December, Corbyn said Labour would support an early GE.

Edit: And has just confirmed it again.

ASLEFshrugged

Well this is going to be fun, there's not enough time to repeal the Fixed Term Parliaments Act 2011 so she either needs a two third majority to vote for an early election or there are two votes of "no confidence" in 14 days.

Two thirds would be 434, the Tories only have 330 MPs, between them the Lib Dems, SNP, etc. only have 91 including the Speaker, if Labour refuse to play ball then then Theresa May is going to have to vote twice that she has no confidence in her own leadership!!

Beeee-zar

ASLEFshrugged

Corbyn is backing the early election so that's saved May an embarrassing situation

SuzanneClaret

I'm not sure who is going to be embarrassed, Labour need to get their act together if we are to have anything other than another Tory win.

ASLEFshrugged

Suze - you don't think Theresa May having to vote that she had no confidence in her own leadership wouldn't have been a tad embarrassing?

Yeoldhammer

Stupidest thing May could do. Talk about giving UKIP a foothold, this has played right into their hands.

SuzanneClaret

Oh I do, yes.

baracks_a_hammer

Without meaning to sound too selfish, this is another inset day I now need to find childcare for when the school turns into a polling station... ;hmm

Yeoldhammer

Voting days aren't inset days though are they ? O_o

grey_til_I_dye

Yeold

No, but the effect is the same for parents, since the school is closed.

Yeoldhammer

So the NI problem is put back I guess with another GE
SNP get a chance to hammer home IndyRef2 consolidating another GE

Labour in Turmoil / Lib Dems riding on Brexit

Conservatives taking a gamble but pretty much throwing away the Union imo to do it.

ASLEFshrugged

Yeoldhammer said:

Stupidest thing May could do. Talk about giving UKIP a foothold, this has played right into their hands.

Not really, UKIP's numbers have been dropping ever since the Referendum, since the beginning of March they've averaged 10.6%, 2% down on 2015 but almost half what they were getting n June last year.

madridhammer

I agree re the above comments about UKIP. I think this is a smart move by May,Labour are in disarray & her Brexit strategy seems to have taken the sting out of UKIP.I've never voted Lib Dem in my life but I'm seriously considering doing so(I live in Madrid so I'm obviously anti-Brexit).I think many people will do the same but at the moment I can see no further than a Tory victory-& I've never voted for them in my life either!

ASLEFshrugged

madridhammer said:

I agree re the above comments about UKIP. I think this is a smart move by May,Labour are in disarray & her Brexit strategy seems to have taken the sting out of UKIP.I've never voted Lib Dem in my life but I'm seriously considering doing so(I live in Madrid so I'm obviously anti-Brexit).I think many people will do the same but at the moment I can see no further than a Tory victory-& I've never voted for them in my life either!

The Lib Dems are optimistic after winning Richmond Park, they're resurgent in their old stronghold of the West Country and will be looking to regain seats they lost to the Tories that voted Remain in the South and in London.

baracks_a_hammer

And they have be a leader who wanted a second referendum on brexit?? Quite ironic for a leader whose party has the word "democrats" in their name.

ASLEFshrugged

baracks_a_hammer said:

And they have be a leader who wanted a second referendum on brexit?? Quite ironic for a leader whose party has the word "democrats" in their name.

Why? Just because there's a vote for something it doesn't mean you have to accept it and stop opposing it if you feel its wrong. Nothing is ever over, the is no "in the end".

baracks_a_hammer

Why?

Because like it or not the referendum was a democratic vote.

Clearly in the lib dems view there should keep on being more votes until they get the result they want

ASLEFshrugged

Clacton is going to be a lot of fun.

Douglas Carswell, ex-Tory, ex-UKIP, now sitting as an independent
Aaron Banks, ex-UKIP money man, standing as an independent pro-Leave candidate
UKIP will want their own candidate, maybe they could tempt Farage out of retirement
And the Tories will obviously be looking to win the seat back.

Getting awfully crowded on the right side of the political spectrum......

ASLEFshrugged

baracks_a_hammer said:

Why?



Because like it or not the referendum was a democratic vote.



Clearly in the lib dems view there should keep on being more votes until they get the result they want

so was the General Election, we have those at regular intervals because people change their minds and vote for someone else. The Lib Dems are as much entitled to call for a second Referendum as the SNP are to call for theirs, if it then delivers a Remain vote UKIP and the rest are equally entitled to call for a third Referendum.

Nothing is set in stone, apart from Ed Miliband's reliance on bad PR advice......

Yeoldhammer

Judging by my Facebook. So the majority of my age group of people in the 25 - 30 section seem to be deadlocked on backing Labour or full on switching to Lib Dem off the back off an Anti Brexit movement. All think its a Conservative Majority Win though and we are Doomed XD

baracks_a_hammer

Completely different the general election and the eu referendum

The remainers would I suspect not be claiming the original vote was advisory had the result gone the other way..

ASLEFshrugged

A week before the Referendum Farage said

In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it

If he wasn't going to give up why should the Lib Dems?

baracks_a_hammer

Pointless question now the bill has been passed and the article triggered?

MrsGrey

There was a referendum in 1975 on EU membership.

Not sure why we needed another... unless those who weren't happy with the result thought it a good idea to keep going until they got the result they wanted. ;wink

baracks_a_hammer

The general election will be about the "type" of brexit not brexit happening v not IMO

horshamhammer

He's never specifically said so (as far as I know) but I suspect Corbyn is a Brexiteer himself. I think most hardcore Remainers will vote Lib Dem. Expect a 100+ majority for the Tories whatever happens.

ASLEFshrugged

A lot of Labour left were anti-EU because it supports competition in and privatisation of public services, that was why Bob Crow formed the TUSC as a left wing alternative to UKIP.

My union backed Leave along with RMT, Unite and others.

MrsGrey

billy ;ok

The Tory party has always pushed back against workers rights. Once out of the EU, they will quickly set about rolling back protections and rights as far and as fast as they can.

Anyone who thinks thinks otherwise is (no matter what the PM or any other Tory says) closing their eyes to the lessons of history and refusing to see the reality that is staring them in the face.

They'll try (as they always do) to brand it as good for the economy and growth, with the (false) implication that all will benefit.

Whitehorsehammer

I have never been a member of a political party but I have just paid £70 and joined the Lid Dems. They have consistently been the most pro European party so my hope is that many of those that did not want to leave will back them on June 8th. The 48% need a voice that will not be shouted down by noisy brexiteers and anti EU press. A Hard Brexit is not the way forward and other options need to be heard.

Clactonite

ASLEFshrugged said:

Clacton is going to be a lot of fun.

;wave ;wahoo ;nolan