Like Lukerz (think it was you) said, I'm surprised that he changed it
Lanzini offered very little, but you could see that Moyes was trying to replicate how we played in his first spell where we had success with Lanzini-Arnie up top
Moyes obviously prefers a back 3/5, think we have the squad now to play with a back 4
Still I was impressed with our solidarity. If we didnt make a calamitous error I didnt see us conceding... But our forward play too a hit
Agree with most of the comments that Anderson has looked a lot better, but his actual impact when he gets about 25 yards out is wasteful and he often goes back on himself
I'm not worried about relegation (unless we dont bring in a new keeper) and hope Moyes has some funds to give us a bit of a push
Please help me out...am I right in thinking that: If Snoddy did not score, it would not have been handball by Declan? But score and it is handball?!
Get the lawyers onto this!
It would have been handball, but it was missed by the ref in normal time and only picked up by VAR, which checks every goal. No goal and it wouldn't have been given as handball, but only because they (the ref and linos) would, by the current rules, have got it wrong.
As the ball was a ricochet onto Declan’s hand it would not have been penalised had Snodgrass not scored but as the rule stands, if it results in a goal it’s handball.
Bubbles posted this earlier - So a handball will not be awarded if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/nearby. “
I still believe based on the above the goal should have stood?
Fortune this is the complete IFAB rule change regarding handball.
Changes •Deliberate handball remains an offence •The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick: •the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm •a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity •the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger •the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The following will not usually be a free kick, UNLESS THEY ARE ONE OF THE ABOVE SITUATIONS: •the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near •the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger •if a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger) •If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball.
Therefore the Declan issue comes under the UNLESS clause
When they announce the ref, I never see the VAR ref made public. Why is this? It would explain a lot if we knew, for example, that "it's all about me " Mike Dean was the VAR controller.
Oh and I think Anderson is 100% better in the middle. He was running the show at times ,and his electric speed causes defenders real problems. I'm delighted with the Moyes effect on him.
grey, I said IMHO by rights, so it’s me who thinks it based on playing squad as a starter. We are going to be challenging for Europe on a regular basis don’t you know just ask the board.
Grey surely we are 6/18 with wins against Saints and Bournemouth.
Didn't you read about our points deduction on the FA website? An independent tribunal decided Sheffield Utd actually deserved five points from us instead of three... :whistle:
The Premier League has changed at lot in the past 2/3 season, with the exception of probably Liverpool and Man City anybody can beat anybody and often does. So I don't see the "easy" games and "difficult" games, they are all tough, which is how it should be. We are just as likely to beat Man Utd or Chelsea as we are Norwich or Bournemouth.
Jay, have faith in Grey and the Moyesiah :biggrin: After watching Bournemouth and Norwich yesterday, I think they're going down, so it's between us, Villa, Brighton, Burnley and Watford for the other spot. :scarf:
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Like Lukerz (think it was you) said, I'm surprised that he changed it
Lanzini offered very little, but you could see that Moyes was trying to replicate how we played in his first spell where we had success with Lanzini-Arnie up top
Moyes obviously prefers a back 3/5, think we have the squad now to play with a back 4
Still I was impressed with our solidarity. If we didnt make a calamitous error I didnt see us conceding... But our forward play too a hit
Agree with most of the comments that Anderson has looked a lot better, but his actual impact when he gets about 25 yards out is wasteful and he often goes back on himself
I'm not worried about relegation (unless we dont bring in a new keeper) and hope Moyes has some funds to give us a bit of a push
If Snoddy did not score, it would not have been handball by Declan?
But score and it is handball?!
Get the lawyers onto this!
Bubbles posted this earlier - So a handball will not be awarded if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/nearby. “
I still believe based on the above the goal should have stood?
Changes
•Deliberate handball remains an offence
•The following ‘handball’ situations, even if accidental, will be a free kick: •the ball goes into the goal after touching an attacking player’s hand/arm
•a player gains control/possession of the ball after it has touches their hand/arm and then scores, or creates a goal-scoring opportunity
•the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which has made their body unnaturally bigger
•the ball touches a player’s hand/arm when it is above their shoulder (unless the player has deliberately played the ball which then touches their hand/arm)
The following will not usually be a free kick, UNLESS THEY ARE ONE OF THE ABOVE SITUATIONS:
•the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/near
•the ball touches a player’s hand/arm which is close to their body and has not made their body unnaturally bigger
•if a player is falling and the ball touches their hand/arm when it is between their body and the ground to support the body (but not extended to make the body bigger)
•If the goalkeeper attempts to ‘clear’ (release into play) a throw-in or deliberate kick from a team-mate but the ‘clearance’ fails, the goalkeeper can then handle the ball.
Therefore the Declan issue comes under the UNLESS clause
Thanks for a detailed clarification. :ok:
Because Snodders scored, Rice did handball it.
Video Assistant Referee for game was: Chris Kavanagh
Norwich 3/18
Bournemouth 4/18
Villa 6/18
Watford 16/18 ( :clap: )
Burnley 6/18
West Ham 4/18
Brighton 4/18
Newcastle 4/18
Soton 13/18
Palace 7/18
People need to stop imagining that the teams around us are any good.
Whose rights?
Based on what?
If 2/10 perform better than us between now and the end of the season, we'll be fine.
I have no doubt we will perform better than three of those teams in the games between now and the end of the season, which rules out relegation.
After watching Bournemouth and Norwich yesterday, I think they're going down, so it's between us, Villa, Brighton, Burnley and Watford for the other spot.
:scarf:
:thumbsup: