West Ham v Sheffield Utd (A) 10:01:2020 KO 20:00 - Match Thread

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  • LukerzLukerz
    What it does show us, is we need a new first choice GK, a RB, CM & ST.

    The owners need to get those players in or we risk going down given the form of Watford.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Pengenan

    The new rules do not consider intent re: handball in the build up to a goal.
  • Dodger58Dodger58
    Looks like we need a ‘bundle’
  • HammerdublinHammerdublin
    edited January 2020
    This handball rule is not even an FA rule. It is FIFA that we must "thank" for it.
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    Desperate for a GK

    Zab tries and is a pro but he just isnt up to scratch for this level

    Need a striker, you could tell Moyes wanted to give Haller a partner (hence why Lanzini stayed up front) but he had no one who could play there
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Maybe he doesn’t win games, well not as many as he’d have you believe
  • MoojorMoojor
    So the new game plan from now on, whenever you get in the area don't go for a shot, chip the ball up or aim at the defenders arms.
    Has to be a penalty every time you get the shot on target
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    But surely VAR have to decide how far you go back?

    There’s plenty of play after it before the ball is in the net.

    How far do you go back? 5 seconds? 10 seconds?

    I get the Antonio one against Southampton and Chelsea because they were a millisecond before he put the ball in the net.

    But this one is a joke.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited January 2020
    Lukerz said:

    we risk going down given the form of Watford.

    We really don't. My charity bet offer still stands. Ray says, "Get right on it."
  • horshamhammerhorshamhammer
    Lukerz said:

    What it does show us, is we need a new first choice GK, a RB, CM & ST.

    The owners need to get those players in or we risk going down given the form of Watford.

    Good luck with that.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Completely agree with GNev
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    VAR is terrible ( insert your own expletive) the premier league is an elitist joke, i hope we go down, and GSB have ruined west ham united. That is the first game i have watched live this season, a waste of money and drawn in by the "rivalry". Never again, will look at the results on teletext like the old days. Can't be too disappointed then. Oh, and Happy Brexit day to everyone who cares!
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    edited January 2020
    Lukerz said:

    Completely agree with GNev

    What did he say? I switched off after the VAR check
  • horshamhammerhorshamhammer
    "I think it is the thoughts of every Premier League player, not just me - pretty much every one doesn't want to have VAR in the game. There have been so many decisions this season that have been absolutely crazy. They were celebrating VAR like it was a goal and football should not be like that."

    Well said, Declan.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Moojor said:

    So the new game plan from now on, whenever you get in the area don't go for a shot, chip the ball up or aim at the defenders arms.
    Has to be a penalty every time you get the shot on target

    No.

    There are two different handball rules.

    For a goal, any contact with the arm/hand of an attacking player rules the goal out.
    For penalties, the officials still need to determine intent.

    However frustrating people find the new rule, it was applied correctly tonight.
  • whupathmanwhupathman
    this year has been a joke in terms of the way the rules are used, really struggling to enjoy football
  • LukerzLukerz
    OldCastleSwift said:

    Lukerz said:

    Completely agree with GNev

    What did he say? I switched off after the VAR check
    He said the bigger concern than the VAR decision was that Rice thinks a point would have been a great result, and that mentality at West Ham needs to change.
  • HamstewHamstew
    Gary Neville spot on saying there is a mindset issue at West Ham after Declan Rice saying “it would’ve been a great point for us!” and that it was a good performance.

    He’s wrong, it wasn’t a great performance.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift


    Surely this was the case with our 'goal' :hmm:
  • yoyoyoyo
    Weren't UTD pleased with their point at Sheff Utd?
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Neville is a twonk, then.

    1-0 down in the 92nd minute, a point is a great point.

    Run along, G-Nev :ok:
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited January 2020
    Madcap

    Each to their onions.

    I enjoyed our performance, and am lookingforward to our next game.

    I love Deccers, and I know he isn't the sharpest rubber n the pencil case, but for. a PL footballer to be so woefully ignorant of the rules and VAR is embarrassing.
  • WhitehorsehammerWhitehorsehammer
    Very frustrating to say the least, deserved a draw, which it would have been apart from one bad mistake at the back and a bad new rule about handball. Good work rate, regroup and go again next game ..
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Think although imo we didn’t deserve to lose it shows that a new manager doesn’t always mean a few wins, for me more importantly is after tonight we do need bodies in to ensure safety
  • WHU_Champo_league_in_7_yearsWHU_Champo_league_in_7_years
    The rules are a joke

    VAR was supposed to sit glaring errors

    What happened to the refs on the monitor and use their own judgement

    Joke of a rule, and its ruining the season
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Grey that’s what makes the rule frustrating.
    Any contact with the ball by hand of an attacking player rules out a goal but for a defender it has to be intentional to be a penalty. So in both instances the advantage is with the defending side.
    The rule should be changed so that either handball is handball regardless of intent or intent should be determined.
    The “arm was/wasn’t in a natural position” is purely subjective.
    I think they should go back to the hand to ball interpretation.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    edited January 2020
    WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

    The rules are a joke

    VAR was supposed to sit glaring errors

    What happened to the refs on the monitor and use their own judgement

    Joke of a rule, and its ruining the season

    Sorry, but I don't understand your point. There was no glaring error. There is no scope for judgement in handball leading to a goal. If the officials missed it, that would be an error. The VAR official tonight correctly ruled out our goal on the rules as they are.
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    WHU_Champo_league_in_7_years said:

    The rules are a joke

    VAR was supposed to sit glaring errors

    What happened to the refs on the monitor and use their own judgement

    Joke of a rule, and its ruining the season

    Sorry, but I don't understand your point. There was no glaring error. There is no scope for judgement in handball leading to a goal. If the officials missed it, that would be an error. The VAR official tonight correctly ruled out our gial o the rules as they are.
    There is scope, though. You have to decide how far back to go.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    thornburyiron said:

    Grey that’s what makes the rule frustrating.
    Any contact with the ball by hand of an attacking player rules out a goal but for a defender it has to be intentional to be a penalty. So in both instances the advantage is with the defending side.
    The rule should be changed so that either handball is handball regardless of intent or intent should be determined.
    The “arm was/wasn’t in a natural position” is purely subjective.
    I think they should go back to the hand to ball interpretation.

    I disagree I don't think goals should count if they go in off a hand/arm, and I am happy for that to include the build up

    You can't have the same rule for pens, or attackers would spend the whole game chipping balls at defenders.
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    Grey this was posted earlier and is the official PL guidelines

    “Deflections

    Premier League players will be allowed extra leeway when it comes to ricocheted handballs.

    It is often impossible to avoid contact with the ball if it has deflected off the body of an opponent, team-mate, or even another part of the own player.

    So a handball will not be awarded if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from their own head/body/foot or the head/body/foot of another player who is close/nearby. “

    So if that is a PL instruction why are the VAR refs ignoring it.
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