Burnley at home - 10th March - Match Thread

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  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Ken Bates did at both Leeds and Chelsea, derek pavis forest and Notts
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    grey, i am not sure that anyone is deliberately and intentionally blurring the issue, I trust that we can both agree that violent reaction against person or property is clearly unjustifiable.

    However

    I actually do hold the owners responsible for my own non violent reaction, and that reaction manifests itself as a strong feeling of disillusionment with where the club currently is and I have a very real fear for its future, and it hurts.

    What I hope to see at the Southampton game is a coming together of team and supporters, I hope that Southampton enter the stadium to a cauldron of sound and that they get battered.

    In a non violent way of course :-)

  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Chicago

    But I haven't suggested your feelings are unjustified, and I haven't suggested the owners share no responsibility for those feelings.

    My point was specifically directed at Posh for conflating such feelings with violent conduct.
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    Grey, I think we may have found our middle ground, in a nutshell it is certainly agreed that the actions of the owners in no way justifies the sort of violent response we saw yesterday.

    However

    It is equally understandable to conclude that the actions of the owners have contributed to a widespread feeling of disillusionment amongst the fan base.

    That is certainly the way I see it.

    I have supported WHU for over 30 years and will not stop now, I do consider this a low point, not my first, but I actually hope that for at least the short term, the supporters will rally behind the team and we can go on from here and we may just survive this and stay up for another year.

    I remain however, very fearful of the mid to long term prospects as I think the move to the LS is going to have a lasting negative effect upon us and I do not think a realistic ready made solution is on the horizon.

    Just my tuppence worth
  • thornburyironthornburyiron
    If so it just proves both clubs had mindless cretins hell bent on causing trouble. Fans do not involve themselves in violence to achieve an end.
    If you are trying to justify what happened yesterday then as far as I'm concerned you're nowhere near succeeding as such actions cannot be justified.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Poshhammer said:

    Cuz1 said:

    Ken Bates did at both Leeds and Chelsea, derek pavis forest and Notts

    So 3 ;ok
    You asked a question, I mearly answered it, I’d say just because it as happened at another club doesn’t make it right, and by the way I’m anti board but they didn’t deserve to be hounded out of there seats end of imo
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Being paranoid here but jut watching MOTD2 and had the thought that generally when there are fans on the pitch the cameras steer clear of showing it with the "Oh dear, there's an idiot on the pitch" comment. In this instance both SKY and the BBC haven't stop showing it. ;hmm
  • MIAHammerMIAHammer
    IronHerb said:

    Being paranoid here but jut watching MOTD2 and had the thought that generally when there are fans on the pitch the cameras steer clear of showing it with the "Oh dear, there's an idiot on the pitch" comment. In this instance both SKY and the BBC haven't stop showing it. ;hmm

    Usually though, the idiots aren't accompanied by a mob hurling abuse at the director's box. Which is why, I suspect, that this issue hasn't died down in the media.
  • chicagohammerchicagohammer
    It is pretty hard to ignore a bloke carrying the corner flag into the center circle, what amazes me is that he is not a kid.

    There really was a security issue there, a guy running across the pitch is one thing but wielding a five foot pole............
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    All these people have done is make the club unattractive to any potential investors and set back the image of the club 30 years
  • baracks_a_hammerbaracks_a_hammer
    I have read Garth Crook’s team of the week and am completely outraged that none of our stellar performers made it into his team. It is scandalous.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    Was it 11 Spurs players by any chance
  • Slaven_Cups_His_BeardSlaven_Cups_His_Beard
    IronHerb said:

    Being paranoid here but jut watching MOTD2 and had the thought that generally when there are fans on the pitch the cameras steer clear of showing it with the "Oh dear, there's an idiot on the pitch" comment. In this instance both SKY and the BBC haven't stop showing it. ;hmm

    You’d of thought they’d of panned in to Claret N Noclue’s flag for the duration
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    I would have preferred a protest like what the Liverpool fans did about ticket prices you just get up and go on a set time say 66 mins for the Bobby Moore link , the media would pick up on it and there would have been none of the scenes , the team could have got on with trying to get something out of the game and the owners would have been given a message without dragging the club through the mire
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Pearces_Left_Foot said:

    All these people have done is make the club unattractive to any potential investors and set back the image of the club 30 years

    Now I`m no fan of Gold, Sullivan and Brady. But I think this is a bit strong.
  • Pearces_Left_FootPearces_Left_Foot
    I was talking about the fans who were throwing coins etc Madcap
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    Pearces

    Think Madcap was being mischievous.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    PLF ;wink


    And PLF, I agree about the protests. No need for violence. This is where I think Brady scored an own goal. Far from being a public relations coup, calling off the march did nothing but stiffen peoples resolve and galvanize the anti board feelings.

    As for the fan that grabbed the corner flag. Nothing more or less than a symbolic act. The chap has followed West Ham home and away for 50 ish years and apparently is one of the nicest chaps you could ever wish to meet. He is being labelled as a thug. Emily Davison is seen as a heroine and a martyr. Opinions.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    The difference is Madcap. In 100 years, Emily Davison will still be seen as a heroine and a martyr, whilst this bloke will still be seen as an idiot with a corner flag.
  • TheMadcapLaughsTheMadcapLaughs
    Preston, maybe. Or, as in 100 years our lease would have just expired, we may well be moving into a purpose built stadium with a statue at the gates of an "idiot" holding a corner flag.
  • ASLEFshruggedASLEFshrugged
    I've finally seen Noble's 50-50 ball with Lennon in the first half. Luvverly
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Highlights still haven't been posted on OS. ;lol
  • Expat_HammerExpat_Hammer
    IronHerb said:

    Highlights still haven't been posted on OS. ;lol

    Were there any ;lol
  • IronHerbIronHerb
    Good point ;lol
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    If Brady/the board gets the peaceful march called off by nefarious means, they can't be surprised if people have a go at the board in the ground.
    Yeah, only that isn't what happened, which rather renders your point moot.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    Well, meeting with the fans and agreeing to act on their concerns. That's a dictionary definition of nefarious, right there.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    bbb

    No, I really don't think you are.
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    There was actually never going to be a (legal) march anyway.

    The organisers hadn't got permission before they 'called it off'.
  • SuzanneClaretSuzanneClaret
    Newham council and the police said no...
  • HammerwombatHammerwombat
    Some of the fans v the board. Just at the moment there are at least 6 differing points of view.
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