I'm feel low after yesterday's game but I know I will still renew next season wether whatever league we are in . Once this all blows over and things settle again I just can't help myself it's part of being a supporter the lows make the highs all the sweeter when we occasionally get one. Am I a glutton for punishment or just a normal West Ham fan I don't know DJ I hope you do renew, this season has not been reflective of most my years as a season ticket holder I had some great seasons some middling seasons a a few relegation seasons but I always come back for more.
Well said pearce ;ok
Even though we are going through tough times at the moment there is no way that i'm going to give up my ST. I'm old enough to have gone through all the highs and lows(lot's of lows ;whistle) and i couldn't contemplate not going to watch my team again whatever league we are in.
“Marko Arnautovic walked to some sections of the crowd and stuck around to shake hands with fans for a good ten minutes after the game and he was clearly distraught about what had happened on the pitch.”
Arnautovic is fantastic. He’s one of the few who actually run around the pitch, putting in a proper shift.
Pretty much in every game, I see him get annoyed at our players because they aren’t helping him out.
The fan ‘invasion’ was not a great look for the club. But you have 60,000 in one place a couple of idiots are always likely.
The pressing concern was the fact they got onto the pitch at all. Another one for KB to add to her ‘improvements’ list. There is a reason you have stewards. I’m sure if you didn’t you’d get more than 4/5 fans running onto the pitch in any stadium in any country.
Adam, Frank Lampard on MOTD made a good analysis of the game and highlighted that very point. He also said that the owners have made a net spend of £29million since leaving the Boleyn. I don't know if that's correct but he seemed to imply that he could understand fans' frustrations.
How different the outcome could have been yesterday if Lee Mason had rightfully penalised Lennon's obvious handball. The odds would have been that Noble scored and the whole atmosphere in the OS would have lifted. Also, if João Mário's volley had dipped a little, if Lanzini had not sidefooted when one on one with the 'keeper, if Arnie had had some support when he was in a good scoring position. I know they're all big ifs, but we had really good chances to win this game.
End of the day its the players on the oitch that need to give the fans something to cheer and imo onfe we went a goal down it was going to be a huge ask i couldnt see us scoring against Burnley
The fans helped us lose the game yesterday there is no doubt about it but cant use that excuse the other 11 times we've conceeded more than 3 goals in a game and all the capitulations (agaisnt teams we should be beating at home) weve seen over the last 2 seasons
"Before yesterday they had six home games out of nine, which to a certain extent looked an advantage," Brooking added.
"When you've just lost 3-0, had people coming on to the pitch and a lot of people venting their frustration to the directors - that means the next five games at home look pretty bleak.
"There is no way the team is going to play and get the points to stay up under that sort of atmosphere. It is impossible.
"That atmosphere must never come back in the last five games otherwise the club is in serious trouble and the players won't be able to deliver.
"I saw some families leaving because the youngsters were frightened.
"The level of aggression was something I couldn't believe a West Ham fan would get involved in.
"All I would say, between now and the end of the season is, 'anyone who has got that aggressive frustration just don't come to the five home games that are left' because we need everyone - all the fans and the team - all working together to try to get sufficient results."
Luke, no-one knows what would have happened if what did happen hadn't happened.
It's just as unfounded (and unprovable) to say because we capitulated 7 days ago we would have done it again yesterday, as is is to say that because we fought back from a goal down against WBA to win 2-1, we'd have fought back from a goal down yesterday to win 2-1.
What we can, with certainty, say is that the events yesterday after the first goal went in had a negative impact on the players. Nobes says precisely that in his post-match interview.
I'm not suggesting the fans behaviour is an excuse. But it is a factor.
I think an argument starts to become less than water tight once you align your actions with those of Birmingham fans. Let’s not forget how these ‘brothers in arms’ hounded a mangers daughter outside her school.
Birmingham fans drove Gold and Sullivan out, so we can too, seems to be the logic. But their owners since have been way worse, and their results have gotten worse and worse too. So what's the plan? Make them sell to the first cowboy who offers them a deal?
Perhaps Arnie admires the passion, not necessarily the way it was portrayed though.
Ginge was the only other Hammer to stay on the pitch. He looked somewhat distraught.
It told us a lot which about some of our players who were distraught and actively tried to get the fans off (Ie Noble, Collins, Arnie, Hart), as well as those that had their hands on their hips. I may be reading too much into it but to me that shows who the leaders and passionate players are in our team. It also gives an indication as to which players won't actively look to get involved when things go sour.
Goal 2 - Collins and Ogbonna weren't concentrating (going through the motions rather than being switched on). I truly believe the fans played a big part in that.
Goal 3 - Hart howler - Very little to do with the fans. Purely down to Hart's poor goalkeeping (just a typical howler from Hart but nothing out of the ordinary from him).
Noble saw the red mist. All this 'I have to defend myself' is nonsense as the fan hadn't really threatened him and appeared to be on his way off the pitch. Noble caught him and threw him to the ground.
Completely disagree with that Herb. If someone ran into my work who wasn’t meant to be there I think I would be within my rights to stop them. We all hear stories about someone on the street stopping a criminal, this is the same. Noble did absolutely nothing wrong.
Also, Ashley Barnes tripped one of the invaders too but nobody has mentioned that. It just seems to me that some (particularly on twitter) are looking to absolve the supporters of blame and direct it at the club instead.
(Not that I think you are doing thay Herb, just to be clear ;hug )
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Even though we are going through tough times at the moment there is no way that i'm going to give up my ST.
I'm old enough to have gone through all the highs and lows(lot's of lows ;whistle) and i couldn't contemplate not going to watch my team again whatever league we are in.
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“Marko Arnautovic walked to some sections of the crowd and stuck around to shake hands with fans for a good ten minutes after the game and he was clearly distraught about what had happened on the pitch.”
Arnautovic is fantastic. He’s one of the few who actually run around the pitch, putting in a proper shift.
Pretty much in every game, I see him get annoyed at our players because they aren’t helping him out.
Why would anybody decent want to join?
Hope all those morons are proud of what they’ve done for the future of our club. They’ve really helped us out.
Ginge was the only other Hammer to stay on the pitch. He looked somewhat distraught.
The pressing concern was the fact they got onto the pitch at all. Another one for KB to add to her ‘improvements’ list. There is a reason you have stewards. I’m sure if you didn’t you’d get more than 4/5 fans running onto the pitch in any stadium in any country.
He also said that the owners have made a net spend of £29million since leaving the Boleyn. I don't know if that's correct but he seemed to imply that he could understand fans' frustrations.
How different the outcome could have been yesterday if Lee Mason had rightfully penalised Lennon's obvious handball. The odds would have been that Noble scored and the whole atmosphere in the OS would have lifted.
Also, if João Mário's volley had dipped a little, if Lanzini had not sidefooted when one on one with the 'keeper, if Arnie had had some support when he was in a good scoring position. I know they're all big ifs, but we had really good chances to win this game.
The fans helped us lose the game yesterday there is no doubt about it but cant use that excuse the other 11 times we've conceeded more than 3 goals in a game and all the capitulations (agaisnt teams we should be beating at home) weve seen over the last 2 seasons
Nothing to do with the fans.
It's just as unfounded (and unprovable) to say because we capitulated 7 days ago we would have done it again yesterday, as is is to say that because we fought back from a goal down against WBA to win 2-1, we'd have fought back from a goal down yesterday to win 2-1.
What we can, with certainty, say is that the events yesterday after the first goal went in had a negative impact on the players. Nobes says precisely that in his post-match interview.
I'm not suggesting the fans behaviour is an excuse. But it is a factor.
I don't see how anyone can deny it.
Birmingham fans did too, only in the car park.
I think an argument starts to become less than water tight once you align your actions with those of Birmingham fans. Let’s not forget how these ‘brothers in arms’ hounded a mangers daughter outside her school.
Goal 2 - Collins and Ogbonna weren't concentrating (going through the motions rather than being switched on). I truly believe the fans played a big part in that.
Goal 3 - Hart howler - Very little to do with the fans. Purely down to Hart's poor goalkeeping (just a typical howler from Hart but nothing out of the ordinary from him).
I don’t think I would.
Categorising players in this way in wrong, crowd control is not their job and not to do has nothing at all to do with passion.
Collins pulled two fans off in a less aggressive fashion.
Arnie didn't get involved like Noble did but went over to the fans after the match. It's that sort of thing that speaks volumes.
(Not that I think you are doing thay Herb, just to be clear ;hug )
Wasnt there only 5 invaders throughout the game?