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  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    If the club want £20 million and you offer £10 million, then IMO, you don't want the player.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
    TwistandShout said:

    This site is so tiring at times.

    If only there were some way to not use it...
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    edited January 2018
    Sam Inkersole tweeted
    "Hearing the initial bid was £10million etc...."

    "Hearing" being the operative word here, why are so many taking it for gospel? ;hmm

    OCS's post just made this superfluous. ;lol
  • LukerzLukerz
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  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    edited January 2018
    OldCastleSwift said:

    I'm an agent myself (not football) and negotiate every day. It's industry-understood that your first move is exceptionally high/low. Everybody involved in the negotiation knows this is a move to a) show you aren't desperate and b) to show your second/third/fourth offer in a much more reasonable light.

    But is that not a monumental waste of time? I mean, if both parties know that the first offer is always derisory, why even bother? Not being flippant, just interested. What industry do you work in Jorderz?
    No, it isn’t, because even though you might have an idea of the upper limit of what you’ll pay, it’s still best business practice to try and get the best deal possible.

    In negotiating weakness and desperation is exploited. Aloofness and keeping a hardline is the best way forward (IMO). It means by the time you’ve moved from your first offer to your last offer you’ve made a substantial movement and it allows you to expect that of the other.

    All in my opinion, of course.

    I’m a literary agent.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Ayew close to signing for Swansea for £18m. Hopefully this will give us room for that extra midfielder.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Lukerz said:

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  • YeoldhammerYeoldhammer
    Ayew out Smolov in.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    In negotiating weakness and desperation is exploited. Aloofness and keeping a hardline is the best way forward (IMO). It means by the time you’ve moved from your first offer to your last offer you’ve made a substantial movement and it allows you to expect that of the other.
    I'm just not convinced that aloofness and keeping a hardline is necessarily the best course of action when you're as time-pressed as we are and have only 12 hours to conclude a deal ;ok
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    OCS,

    But the fact we are time-pressed is exactly the kind of thing the other negotiator will exploit. If they are led to believe by our offer that we are desperate then we will end up paying so much more.

    It's a fine line, but it seems to me the best course is to make them believe we have other options and our interest is limited/capped.

    If we act desperate from the off we'll be taken to the cleaners. It seems imperative to me to retain some semblance of power, otherwise we'll splash stupid money everywhere and put the company in jeopardy, particularly as signing footballers is such a risk in terms of investment.
  • LukerzLukerz
    Jordan Hugill is the striker in question who we could be signing.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    The flip-side, of course, is what Sully said happened with Carvalho, where there was too much posturing, everything was left too late and we missed out on him.

    Anyway, all seems moot now as the latest 'news' is that we actually bid £16m, which for me is a fair offer to get the ball rolling.
  • OldCastleSwiftOldCastleSwift
    Lukerz said:

    Jordan Hugill is the striker in question who we could be signing.

    ;hmm
  • LukerzLukerz
    Source was same bloke who mentioned the permanent striker signing.

    3 goals in 11 games for Preston this season. Surely not. ;hmm
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Jorderz Hugill ;hmm
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    Not exactly prolific is he? ;hmm

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Hugill
  • TwistandShoutTwistandShout
    grey_til_I_dye said:

    TwistandShout said:

    This site is so tiring at times.

    If only there were some way to not use it...
    ;ok
  • MarkNobleLocalHeroMarkNobleLocalHero
    Jordan Hugill seriously? OK everyone time for bed ;lol

    0.25 goals per game in lower leagues...err no thanks. Now tell me that was a joke.

    Please someone ;doh
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    We can't, there aren't enough beds in the sick bay.
  • PrestonHammerPrestonHammer
    Jordan Whooooooooooooo?
  • McHammerMcHammer
    My mate a Preston Season Ticket holder when asked is he any good?

    "Plenty of Preston fans think he is, personally, I think he’s vastly over-rated. He’s a battering ram and not much else. Honestly don’t understand why we don’t cash in on him. "
  • BubblesNeverDiesBubblesNeverDies
    edited January 2018
    Song - I'd take him in a heartbeat. Pure class player.
  • alderzalderz
    edited January 2018
    I heard we're re-signing Carlton Cole
  • alderzalderz
    I thought Song was rubbish in his second season with us and doesn't warrant a third
  • Jorderz_Moyes_will_be_MoyesJorderz_Moyes_will_be_Moyes
    Lukerz said:

    Going in insultingly low just seems to me like a complete waste of time and an ego thing.

    If you know a club wanes £20m, maybe they £16m and some bonuses or a player exchange. Then work your way up.

    You don’t go in at £10m.

    It's nothing to do with ego. If there are no other offers you'd have to be off your rocker to pay whatever they ask straight away.

    Fair enough if they've had offers of £15M plus and you go in with £10M. Then it's pointless and derisory.

    If they've got no other offers than who cares what they value the player at. The player is worth what somebody will buy them for. At least try your luck low and then edge upwards as it progresses.
  • grey_til_I_dyegrey_til_I_dye
  • LukerzLukerz
    Sky saying Jordan Hugill on his way to West Ham now.
  • Cuz1Cuz1
    Hope he doesn’t know the way, having said that Moyes ex Preston so maybe he has some inside knowledge
  • MrsGreyMrsGrey
    edited January 2018
    TwistandShout said:

    (Inkersol)... goes to all the pre/post match conferences so id be pretty sure he has contacts at the club.

    He might want to get some better ones, then.
  • VorselaarhammerVorselaarhammer
    Never heard of the bloke.... According to Wiki

    Hugill is a target man forward, has great strength and is able to out-muscle opposition defenders.
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