Defoe wasn't for sale at the price the Dave's would have been offering. Had they (exaggerating for effect) offered say £20m I think there would have been every chance of him re-joining West Ham
lol on my facebook someone put that our last 20 goal a season striker was Teddy Sherringham over 12 years ago. West Ham have gone the 3rd longest period out of all PL teams without a 20-goal striker.
We had Sam give Reece Burke a run of 5 games where he looked pretty ok - what happened since?
Oxford last season had a very good outing at the Emirates. Sure he was given a lesson by Lukaku later in the season but this has happened to many a defender and would have been part of his learning process. Now he sits on Reading's bench struggling for game time.
Yet our first team struggles in a number of positions and repeatedly square pegs are put in round holes.
Posted this on the other thread I just gonna copy and paste it
Not really sure how Tottenham and a Chelsea can relate to us
Like chalobah is 22 and is still barely getting a game, despite being one of the championships best players at 18
Nathan Ake has been highly rated since his teen years, but he's 22 now and only just been recalled to the first team squad, pretty sure he's yet to play since he has
Loftus-Cheek has gone off the boil, remember lucks Piazon? He was there young player of the year now he's with Fulham, the younger hazard left likewise
And Tottenham moved harry Kane around to several clubs during his teens only for him to explode onto the scene
Tom Carroll is 24 and still being moved about on loans
Danny rose was at loans untill he was 23, walker didn't get a chance till he was 21
Winks is 21 and has 433 mins of PL football.....Fernandes is 20 and has 499 minutes
I want to see youth as well but the problem with youth....the inconsistencies and the possibility of not developing their game enough
These players have potential but they need development at their ages, and quite frankly if they aren't good enough currently for championship or even league 1 then they aren't going to be of much help, don't think letting in 3 goals every week will ldo much for their confidence
If our youngsters are not felt to be good enough to get into championship or league 1 sides then maybe Slav thinks they're not ready for PL football. Cullen seems to be the only one regularly playing.
Yeah but for me their performance in lower leagues is in no way an accurate indicator as to their potential at West Ham in the first team squad.
Harry Kane wasn't good enough for every club he went on loan to. Didn't score any goals, didn't produce any stand-out moments and didn't do anything to suggest Spurs should give him a chance. But look at him now. England's number one striker. I'm not saying that he is the regular standard but he is an example of what taking a chance achieves.
The reason clubs use the lower leagues is not because they think they'll get guaranteed game time but because they learn a lot of life skills. Playing in League One and Two is brutal, especially for players conditioned in the comfort of PL academies. Direct football, grotty pitches, claustrophobic stadiums, physical games. This is what 17/18/19/20 year olds have to then face and prosper in. The fact Oxford is not playing does not mean he couldn't play for us at Hull a week Saturday and do a decent job. It's probably more to do with adjusting to the culture shock at Reading, which is halting his game time.
I hate hearing "well he can't get in 'x' team, so what chance has he got here?" It's completely inaccurate. He has as much chance as not making it in our team. Surrounded by certain players, in a specific position, performing a certain role and doing this on a consistent basis. Why Burke is still out on loan at 20, having proved he can play at PL level for a mid table team, I don't now? Why is he playing for Bradford/Wigan when he has already shown potential at PL level over half a dozen games or so?
They all have potential to be good footballers. Otherwise they wouldn't be at West Ham on pro-contracts.
I'm prepared to give our managers who see these players on a daily basis and obviously form opinions of whether they're ready or not. As far as I can recall most if not all of the players over the last few years, who fans have been clamouring to be put into the first team but have left, have really had much of an impact at their current or previous clubs. Oxford obviously has great potential but he's still very young and has time on his side. He may be the next Bobby Moore but he may never realise the potential. You mention Harry Kane but Spurs didn't take a chance on him until he was in his twenties so I imagine before that they didn't feel he was up to PL standard.
Let's be honest, our recent record for having home grown players come through and play a reasonable part in the first team is ;hmm
So something isn't working.
We are clinging onto Noble to fill that void and a) he is 30 soon, and b) his place in the side is being questioned
I don't think many are asking for an instant throwback to the days where lampard, cole, Carrick, rio were all seen together, however when your youngest academy player is nearly 30 it can't be right
The pressure of modern football and instant success managers often don't get the time to blood players as they judged constantly on results. I don't think it would do good for our youngster if they made a howler in the PL it would shown on TV repeatedly analysised to death . Ideally you would play them in cup games but we drew Chelsea Man Utd and Man City this season and hopefully towards the end of the season when we are safe . The problem they face is clubs can now buy a ready made player with their TV money and the only way to get game time is going out on loan. Carrick Lampard Defoe Cole all went out on loan before making into the first team. Hopefully we can pick up a couple if wins quickly and give a chance to a few of them in relative safe games without much resting on it (not Spurs at home !)
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He could've handed in a transfer request but he didn't
If we offered Sunderland £18m, he'd be a Hammer.
He wasn't for sale at £6m, or whatever it was we offered.
West Ham not interested in signing Rooney . The whole story seems to be based on the fact his kid wore a West Ham shirt
Think of all those poor people who have bought their STs on the strength of that...
Grey ;ok ;lol
Zaza by inviting him to his house , Zaza was never the same after that day ;ok
We had Sam give Reece Burke a run of 5 games where he looked pretty ok - what happened since?
Oxford last season had a very good outing at the Emirates. Sure he was given a lesson by Lukaku later in the season but this has happened to many a defender and would have been part of his learning process. Now he sits on Reading's bench struggling for game time.
Yet our first team struggles in a number of positions and repeatedly square pegs are put in round holes.
Very frustrutating.
Not really sure how Tottenham and a Chelsea can relate to us
Like chalobah is 22 and is still barely getting a game, despite being one of the championships best players at 18
Nathan Ake has been highly rated since his teen years, but he's 22 now and only just been recalled to the first team squad, pretty sure he's yet to play since he has
Loftus-Cheek has gone off the boil, remember lucks Piazon? He was there young player of the year now he's with Fulham, the younger hazard left likewise
And Tottenham moved harry Kane around to several clubs during his teens only for him to explode onto the scene
Tom Carroll is 24 and still being moved about on loans
Danny rose was at loans untill he was 23, walker didn't get a chance till he was 21
Winks is 21 and has 433 mins of PL football.....Fernandes is 20 and has 499 minutes
I want to see youth as well but the problem with youth....the inconsistencies and the possibility of not developing their game enough
Oxford 18, Samuelsen 19, Burke 20, Quina 17, Martinez 19, Browne 19
These players have potential but they need development at their ages, and quite frankly if they aren't good enough currently for championship or even league 1 then they aren't going to be of much help, don't think letting in 3 goals every week will ldo much for their confidence
Cullen seems to be the only one regularly playing.
Harry Kane wasn't good enough for every club he went on loan to. Didn't score any goals, didn't produce any stand-out moments and didn't do anything to suggest Spurs should give him a chance. But look at him now. England's number one striker. I'm not saying that he is the regular standard but he is an example of what taking a chance achieves.
The reason clubs use the lower leagues is not because they think they'll get guaranteed game time but because they learn a lot of life skills. Playing in League One and Two is brutal, especially for players conditioned in the comfort of PL academies. Direct football, grotty pitches, claustrophobic stadiums, physical games. This is what 17/18/19/20 year olds have to then face and prosper in. The fact Oxford is not playing does not mean he couldn't play for us at Hull a week Saturday and do a decent job. It's probably more to do with adjusting to the culture shock at Reading, which is halting his game time.
I hate hearing "well he can't get in 'x' team, so what chance has he got here?" It's completely inaccurate. He has as much chance as not making it in our team. Surrounded by certain players, in a specific position, performing a certain role and doing this on a consistent basis. Why Burke is still out on loan at 20, having proved he can play at PL level for a mid table team, I don't now? Why is he playing for Bradford/Wigan when he has already shown potential at PL level over half a dozen games or so?
They all have potential to be good footballers. Otherwise they wouldn't be at West Ham on pro-contracts.
As far as I can recall most if not all of the players over the last few years, who fans have been clamouring to be put into the first team but have left, have really had much of an impact at their current or previous clubs.
Oxford obviously has great potential but he's still very young and has time on his side. He may be the next Bobby Moore but he may never realise the potential.
You mention Harry Kane but Spurs didn't take a chance on him until he was in his twenties so I imagine before that they didn't feel he was up to PL standard.
for some more 30+ year old players on the cheap ;wink
The nearest we will get to a world class striker will be if Arthur Scargill is -
Reincarnated .
just saying. ;ok
So something isn't working.
We are clinging onto Noble to fill that void and a) he is 30 soon, and b) his place in the side is being questioned
I don't think many are asking for an instant throwback to the days where lampard, cole, Carrick, rio were all seen together, however when your youngest academy player is nearly 30 it can't be right
Err.....what the heck is this?
Seriously, they need to stop
;angry