Well today wasn't because it cost us 2 points. They threw all their defenders forward because we left them no one to defend against and it was one of their defenders who scored.
Thorn, they were a goal down with seconds to play and nothing to lose! Do you really think with Snodgrass and Feghouli on the pitch Evans would have stayed back?
My point was had we not made defensive changes they may well not have been in that attacking situation anyway. Who knows. We'd played very very well until that point and were pinning them around their penalty area. They had taken their best attacker off.
Thorn - he was intending to replace Feg for Fernandes prior to the Lanz goal. Kouyate was effectively playing wide right so Fernandes an attacking central midfielder coming on made sense to keep pushing on centrally, as wide play crossing it was not working. Obviously our goal came from attacking central. Once we scored it then made sense to take off Snod who was tiring, and was not really offering much as the second striker at that point, and adding a defender (Collins) when we needed to defend the lead.
My only gripe would be that although when he intended to bring on Fernandes the decision was right (IMO), however once the goal was scored the game changed (and it was after the goal the sub was allowed to occur). For me the right two went off but instead of Fernandes, Fletcher should have come on hustle up top and give extra height akin to Carroll from set plays. Would have given us: ................Randy........... ....Collins..Fonte..Reid..... Cheik..Obiang..Nobes..Ant ...............Lanzini............ ........Calleri......Fletch.....
However, hindsight is a wonderful thing. We just got unlucky at the death.
Not too disappointed with the team or Slav. The last minute goal is gutting though. We fought back well and played well
What it does show though IMO is that when Slav said he was "happy with what he had" when it came to transfers he was probably saying so through gritted teeth. When your first choice striker breaks down and neither of the specialist replacements play in his place it tells me everything I need to know.
Baracks - either that or he genuinely thought Ant could deputise. However I agree the most natural direct swap without shifting all about was Fletch for Carroll (the most similar replacement) and the rest of the side the same as vs Shmapton. What he appeared instead to do was still go 4411 but bump Ant up 1, put Snod in Ants position last week just behind, and Lanz in Snod's position last week wide left. However after this game hopefully he now knows Ant is not a #9. A second striker maybe, but he does not have the technical ability, or natural striker nous to play up top on his own.
Also he may have wanted another striker this window, but maybe none of the ones available were, in his opinion, good enough. You can't buy what isn't there.
Yeah, Antonio isn't a good enough striker. Nor is Calleri. Fletcher clearly not trusted by Slav. Sakho is months away from full fitness. Which leaves Ayew who has failed to convince all season.
Fair enough to say you can't buy what isn't there, but Southampton managed to get Gabbiadini for £17m and he's got 3 in 2 for them, so I think the players are there if you're prepared to pay for them.
Carroll is a big, big player for us, which leaves a big, big hole in our side when he's injured. We knew the risks with Carroll's fitness, and didn't cover it, IMO.
The strikers are there - the only problem is when the Dave's and their managers decide to buy one they always seem to get it wrong. Looking at gabbiadini's record and what happened with the daves last serie A striker acquisition you can understand why they might have passed on him
OCS - Gabbiadini had 3 in 13 in the league for Napoli this season, and 5 in 23 last season. He was hardly prolific, and in an arguably? worse league. £17m seemed very steep to me, could just be a honeymoon period. He also it should be noted is behind Zaza in the Italian squad, in what is currently a very poor crop of Italian CFs. Although I've been known to be wrong before..
However I do agree we either need another out and out striker in the summer or trust Fletch if he's good enough.
Even if Calleri steps up and proves useful (though I currently doubt it) he plays a very different style to Carroll and we would have to play a completely different style to accommodate him.
FloRad ;ok Gabbiadini was a risk, I know, but his Napoli stats mean little when you get three in two for your new club.
I know where you're coming from though and he wasn't someone I particularly wanted, but he was an available striker that someone took a risk on and it looks like it's paying off ;ok
It will be interesting to see how Gabbiadini performs over the rest of the season and first half of next. He was an unknown who appears to be making a name for himself. He'll probably find it a lot more difficult now others will be recognising the threat ...
All in all I enjoyed the game today, all we really ask is that the team give everything and I think they all did just that.
We were unlucky not to take the three points but I am more focused on the performance, and I am very proud of how they played, especially in the second half.
For me, our disallowed goal was probably justified as I think that Antonio did impede their keeper when coming back from an offside position, for their first goal, a foul could have been given but we did not help ourselves after that.
Thought the the tactics were spot on, I stand behind the decision to go for it and then to try to close the game out at the end.
We did not get the run of the green in any of the major decisions today but the result will not really impact us, but performances like that, certainly will.
If anyone hasn't yet seen the Slav interview for me this is why Slav is our man, absolutely hurting over the injustice of it all, if he is passing on this attitude to even half the players we can only go upwards.
My point was had we not made defensive changes they may well not have been in that attacking situation anyway. Who knows. We'd played very very well until that point and were pinning them around their penalty area. They had taken their best attacker off.
Had we not made the changes and they had scored, we would have said why didn't we make changes to see out the game. Even worse, if we hadn't made the changes, what if they scored 2 goals? We've already lost season from a winning position with a few minutes to play.
My only complaint is Callieri and why Slav insists on playing him. I really don't understand why we are keeping Fletcher if Slav refuses to play him. He has got to be better than Callieri.
Calleri looks better than Fletcher to me. He linked up well and has a decent touch. He is still coming up to match fitness but still he gets slaughtered on here. Same goes for Slav. Last year he took grief for making attacking substitutions when we were leading and now he makes more defence minded changes he still gets it.
There's too much overreaction on here. Oh! What are we going to do without AC ;wahoo Well, we were 60 seconds from rounding off a decent performance without him against a well drilled team.
Just watched MOTD and in fact the refs did get it right, Antonio pushed Foster just as Feg took his shot, and Antonio (again) touched the ball to give WBA the throw-in ;angry
Thought we played really well and one of the few times we have genuinely looked at ease playing at the OS. A bit unfortunate with the decisions and other factors, but against a tough team, we played some nice stuff and were able to keep the tempo going which bodes well for us. I think the 1st WBA goal is a foul on feghouli; soft yes but consistently given in modern football, whilst for the equaliser Randy does get blocked off and with that amount of pressure and bodies, the keeper should be given more protection and the advantage. Also plenty of other decision which wernt shown on MOTD throughout the 90 mins to annoy Slaven.
Obaing was excellent again, really pushing his passing range and trying to play the progressive pass. Lanzini back to the levels we know he can get to, 2nd half in particular he was outstanding against a very defensive side. Winston Reid was my MOTM; outstanding on the ball, great defensively and dd superbly well out of position after cresswell went off. Hopefully the break in Dubai will do us good, get some good work done over there and with some more players back we can get the 3 points off watford as we are playing well and looking much more like last season.
P,S Calleri did well off the bench, looks better physically ;thumbsup
The good thing about the game is that it's not going to have a massive impact, results wise, on the season. We will finish between 8th-12th. It's not like those two points dropped will be costly in our relegation battle or top 7 push. So we can just take the point and focus on the performance.
Positive elements of the game was how mature we were in how we chased the game against a very solid, stable, in-form PL team. Going 1-0 down after 4 was the perfect start for them, as they could sit back the rest of the game and protect it, and we had to be careful that they wouldn't break and go 2-0. How we went about looking to get back into it was very encouraging. Patience, inventiveness, control and all this with a few players filling in. To then manage, after 65 minutes with no joy, to score and then increase the level of our display to seek the winner, was excellent. Players were all up for it and never let their heads drop. The officiating was questionable to say the least but I don't think it was terribly shocking.
Three main negative points. First is Randolph. Another game goes by where I feel a slightly better keeper would've done better on both WBA goals. Think he caused an air of panic in the box with the last minute goal. Which was the second negative; the way we shot ourselves in the foot with the second goal, by almost mentally going into defence mode, when we had played them off the park in the second half. That mentality created a panic mentality where, for the last five minutes, players seemed to stop doing the things they were doing before. I think there's a difference to be defensively cautious after going 2-1 up and full on retreat.
The final negative is the replacement for Carroll, or lack of. As baracks put it perfectly earlier, your main man is unavailable, and the gaffer refuses fo pick the two specialist replacements. The same man who said he was happy with what he had.
If Slav thinks that Antonio is a good enough CF to replace Carroll then it makes sense for him to be happy with the squad. Personally, I don't agree, but I believe that he is happy with it.
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So, if the official had correctly given us the throw in, would WBA still have scored because of Slav's substitutions?
The minute we scored, WBA were going to try and come at us.
I'm not going to blame Slav, all my blame is used up on the inept officials.
I may have missed it on the thread. Did you give any credit to Slav for the changes whcih brought us back into the game?
They had taken their best attacker off.
My only gripe would be that although when he intended to bring on Fernandes the decision was right (IMO), however once the goal was scored the game changed (and it was after the goal the sub was allowed to occur). For me the right two went off but instead of Fernandes, Fletcher should have come on hustle up top and give extra height akin to Carroll from set plays. Would have given us:
................Randy...........
....Collins..Fonte..Reid.....
Cheik..Obiang..Nobes..Ant
...............Lanzini............
........Calleri......Fletch.....
However, hindsight is a wonderful thing. We just got unlucky at the death.
What it does show though IMO is that when Slav said he was "happy with what he had" when it came to transfers he was probably saying so through gritted teeth. When your first choice striker breaks down and neither of the specialist replacements play in his place it tells me everything I need to know.
I'm a bit perplexed by it.
Also he may have wanted another striker this window, but maybe none of the ones available were, in his opinion, good enough. You can't buy what isn't there.
Fair enough to say you can't buy what isn't there, but Southampton managed to get Gabbiadini for £17m and he's got 3 in 2 for them, so I think the players are there if you're prepared to pay for them.
Carroll is a big, big player for us, which leaves a big, big hole in our side when he's injured. We knew the risks with Carroll's fitness, and didn't cover it, IMO.
However I do agree we either need another out and out striker in the summer or trust Fletch if he's good enough.
Even if Calleri steps up and proves useful (though I currently doubt it) he plays a very different style to Carroll and we would have to play a completely different style to accommodate him.
Nobody to blame but the officials. How long must the deliberate cheating by officials go on against us.
It is utterly ridiculous now and something really should be done about it.
Referees for whatever reason are definitely anti West Ham.
I know where you're coming from though and he wasn't someone I particularly wanted, but he was an available striker that someone took a risk on and it looks like it's paying off ;ok
We were unlucky not to take the three points but I am more focused on the performance, and I am very proud of how they played, especially in the second half.
For me, our disallowed goal was probably justified as I think that Antonio did impede their keeper when coming back from an offside position, for their first goal, a foul could have been given but we did not help ourselves after that.
Thought the the tactics were spot on, I stand behind the decision to go for it and then to try to close the game out at the end.
We did not get the run of the green in any of the major decisions today but the result will not really impact us, but performances like that, certainly will.
COYI
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Same goes for Slav. Last year he took grief for making attacking substitutions when we were leading and now he makes more defence minded changes he still gets it.
There's too much overreaction on here. Oh! What are we going to do without AC ;wahoo Well, we were 60 seconds from rounding off a decent performance without him against a well drilled team.
Come on people, support the team.
COYI
Obaing was excellent again, really pushing his passing range and trying to play the progressive pass. Lanzini back to the levels we know he can get to, 2nd half in particular he was outstanding against a very defensive side. Winston Reid was my MOTM; outstanding on the ball, great defensively and dd superbly well out of position after cresswell went off. Hopefully the break in Dubai will do us good, get some good work done over there and with some more players back we can get the 3 points off watford as we are playing well and looking much more like last season.
P,S Calleri did well off the bench, looks better physically ;thumbsup
Positive elements of the game was how mature we were in how we chased the game against a very solid, stable, in-form PL team. Going 1-0 down after 4 was the perfect start for them, as they could sit back the rest of the game and protect it, and we had to be careful that they wouldn't break and go 2-0. How we went about looking to get back into it was very encouraging. Patience, inventiveness, control and all this with a few players filling in. To then manage, after 65 minutes with no joy, to score and then increase the level of our display to seek the winner, was excellent. Players were all up for it and never let their heads drop. The officiating was questionable to say the least but I don't think it was terribly shocking.
Three main negative points. First is Randolph. Another game goes by where I feel a slightly better keeper would've done better on both WBA goals. Think he caused an air of panic in the box with the last minute goal. Which was the second negative; the way we shot ourselves in the foot with the second goal, by almost mentally going into defence mode, when we had played them off the park in the second half. That mentality created a panic mentality where, for the last five minutes, players seemed to stop doing the things they were doing before. I think there's a difference to be defensively cautious after going 2-1 up and full on retreat.
The final negative is the replacement for Carroll, or lack of. As baracks put it perfectly earlier, your main man is unavailable, and the gaffer refuses fo pick the two specialist replacements. The same man who said he was happy with what he had.